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Big Brother 21 – Saturday Recap for 9/7/19

 

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Great morning everyone! I’m sorry this is so late today but there was a lot to go over. This is more brunch with Mel instead of Morning with Mel. The recap will be seriously out of sequence because yeah!!!! Nicole won the veto!!! Everything else is an afterthought, at least for me. Not only did she destroy her competition yesterday in BB Comics, she now holds the record for time in the comps original format. (Kaycee won last summer and has a lower time but the comp was set up differently for BB20) If we’re comparing watermelons to watermelons, Nicole would be the new record holder, beating BB16 Christine by a little over a minute. Tommy came in 2nd and he was several minutes behind Nicole. Beth did terrible in the comp but she’s said lately her “body was shutting down” so what did we expect?

Now that’s a high kick I can get behind:

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We’re past day 80 and I’d be shocked if anyone needed this info but for the people in the back: Beth=Holly.  (Who’s Beth? could end up being this years Who Flipped?)

I’ll probably use a disproportionate amount of post veto pics in this recap. This isn’t a veto winner update but I’m happy for Nicole and my other option is a large selection of Beth in her naked leggings. The nude color is weird enough for tv but that’s not even the part that bugs me. I wear leggings too but even at my newly 50 year old age, they don’t sit inside my butt crack so I just don’t understand this look. Ya, you’re getting one pic of it just to kick start your morning:

Cliff told Nicole she may have set a record and would probably be asked to come back and host BB Comics. (This isn’t the type of comp that usually has a host but I liked the idea) Nicole said before the comp, she was winning it and taking Cliff off the block. She said “you don’t leave your #1 sitting on the block” and as far as she was concerned, it wasn’t up for discussion.

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The other big news from yesterday was Tommy telling Jackson and Beth about his outside relationship with Christie. (I did not see this coming) I’ll get into that more later but for now, let me back track and actually do a recap of Saturday.

Saturday before Veto: 

  • Everyone but Cliff sat around chatting and waiting for the comp to start. Cliff was busy studying which Nicole also left to do soon after. It wasn’t as much studying days as it was pumping themselves up by saying positive affirmations to themselves. (I’ve never been someone who does this. The closest I get to it might be when something bad or unexpected happens, I might say “Ok, it’s going to be fine. I can handle this.”  Cliff and Nicole have me wanting to start tho)
  • Jackson and Beth got snippy with each other, as usual. They’re joking but not really. He made a jab, she took a jab and so on. (Speaking of jabs, can’t remember if I’ve mentioned this but Nicole is very into Muhammad Ali. She says some of his quotes often but when it came up the other day, Tommy had no idea who he was. It just surprised me so thought I would share) Anyway, Jackson said something about the hoh room and Beth reminded him it wasn’t his anymore. (Since he’d sort of given it to Nicole, although they’re still in there like it is) He asked how long it had been since she’d even had the hoh. She told him day 65 and he told her maybe she could roll another ball to get it back. (I’d rather be around couples who full on, go at it than couples who always teeter on the edge of an argument. I’ve been around both and it’s so uncomfortable waiting around to see how the evening will end.  For better or worse, I’m not passive aggressive in my relationship. If I’m upset, I just look at him and say “I’m pissed and you better get the hell away from me right now or I’ll kill you.” It may not be the best way to handle things but hey, it works for us)
  • Anyway again, while everyone was talking, Beth said she didn’t have her game life at stake, but she’d still like to win the veto. Later, she said she didn’t care if she won it or not. They talked about different comps and which ones they were or weren’t satisfied with their performances. Nicole said she was ok with the wall because she knew she gave it everything she had.  Beth said she wished she could do the poison ivy endurance comp again because she had a problem with her foot stirrups. There was an entire discussion about whether the sizing was generic or catered to each person. Tommy said it was the same for everyone but Beth said no.  She insisted she could’ve done better but her feet didn’t fit. (I kept thinking how stupid is this? She WON THE DAMN COMP!)
  • Tommy and Beth were alone in the hoh. Beth talked about her anxiety and being so stressed out. She said she was going back to the way she felt in the beginning of the game. (Her BF is the hoh and she has almost NO chance of going home. She’s saying this to the the guy who MUST win the veto to survive. Ejection or not, I’d have probably slapped her. At the very least, yanked on those pigtails she sports all the time) After they went through how she hasn’t had a chance to make an impression, be herself, show who she is, blah, blah, they moved onto game talk. She reminded him he wasn’t alone and said he’s always had her. She said she’d never have let him leave before Christie. Tommy did a good job of picking up what she was putting down and began telling her, he didn’t want to leave on a blindside. (He wasn’t blindsided) He said he’d like to do something more in the game. He also said he understood why she felt the way she felt because Jackson’s had a lot of “moments” and everyone else wants theirs too. (I didn’t know if this would work on her but it was the right approach. He’s pleading to her on her level with things she’s worried about herself)  She told him more of why she was upset with Christie and the deal she made with them. She told him Christie was lying if she told him it was only for one week.
  • Jackson joined them and they went into more detail about Christie and assured Tommy it was never about him. (True) Jackson and Beth made it sound like Christie is just a couple steps away from being Satan and you know a part of Tommy was sitting there freaking out. He wants to be loved by fans so the idea of being partnered with and having a real relationship with Satan probably had him a little worried for his image. (He’ll survive. Christie was annoying, self centered, a hypocrite and had no table manners. That doesn’t make her evil) He did a good job of pretending he had no idea Christie had done some of the things she’d done. Beth made sure to tell him the argument over whether or not Christie and Sis were making fun of Cliff was true. She said they really were laughing at him like they were in high school and it was the reason Nicole was crying that day. (This came out before Sis left and they denied it) At one point, Beth said maybe Christie is a psychopath or a sociopath. (Can’t remember which one she said) The three of them said they’ve always been close, glad it ended up the way it has and said half the 6 shooters made it to the F5.

Side note: For the record, 50% of the 6 Shooters made it to the F5 but 66% of the Fellowship of the Zing made it and their alliance included someone who’d already been evicted. Therefore, for active game players, 100% of the Zing alliance is in the F5. I only feel this is relevant because the 6 Shooters made fun of their alliance and said things like “Awww, isn’t that cute? They have a little alliance.”

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  • Jackson and Beth told Tommy they always wanted him, they just couldn’t trust Christie. (I started wondering how much of his game he might start blaming on Christie) Tommy perked up at the mention of 6 shooters because any reminders of the old alliance is good for Tommy. (I said a very long time ago, Tommy and Beth were the two who never really left and always preferred they stay an alliance) Tommy admitted he was after Jackson and Beth last week because he thought they were the couple in the middle but said he sees now, they weren’t. They agreed.  (They may have thought he was talking about Christie but I think he was trying to open the door to blame Cliff and Nicole) Tommy’s looking for an opening and why not? It’s what he supposed to be doing. I’ve seen people in his position not handle it nearly as well and I have to give him props for that.
  • Tommy decided it was a good idea to go ahead and tell them he knows Christie and it was his aunt that Christie was with for 7 years. (I didn’t get it then and after sleeping on it, nope, still nothing.  I thought he might try to blame game decisions on her but I didn’t expect this at all)
  • Maybe he caved because Beth was slamming Christie and he wanted it to stop but I doubt it.  Maybe he wanted to disassociate himself from her because they convinced him Christie’s the villian this year. My guess is, he wanted to put anything that happened that was against Jackson and Beth fully on Christie and act like he didn’t have a choice. He wanted it to seem like he was obligated to work with her. (I thought it was nuts and wondered how long it would take them to remember Tommy led the charge to get Kat out. Tommy’s the one who flipped out over Kat possibly knowing Beth) He asked them not to say anything to Cliff or Nicole and they agreed. For now, it actually worked. They felt bad for him and consoled him:
  • Beth panicked a bit and began apologizing over and over. She’d just been trashing everything about Christie as a person to Tommy. Maybe that’s why she didn’t focus on what Tommy knowing Christie could mean in the game…..or maybe she’s an idiot. ???
  • Tommy left and you could see a weight had been lifted off of him. He actually danced and skipped to the bathroom:
  • Jackson and Beth were alone in the hoh room and he told her she isn’t the only one who knew Kat. (This is about when I said to myself “Well hell, I’m not going to get a damn thing done today! Is that a negative affirmation? See, I do talk to myself, just not the way Nicole and Cliff do) At first, Beth thought he was joking but he told her he wasn’t. He said she lived a short distance from one of his friends in Dallas and that’s where they met. We got fished right after so ?? Feeds came back and he said he didn’t know her. He said he was kidding but by now, Beth didn’t know what to believe. (Neither did I) He said following Beth on Instagram is the closest he was to knowing anyone. (I am now convinced he was kidding) He also said something about the first day he slept with Kat. Beth corrected him and told him to say “slept in the bed with” and told him people could take it the wrong way. (She still thinks she can create a storyline for the live feeds) They got in another small argument over her insulting him or something but it’s irrelevant because it was only more of them being them.

After the Veto:

  • Feeds came back and everyone was telling Nicole that she wiped the floor with everyone. Tommy was gracious, especially since he probably thought he was going home. Jackson was even a bit humble and tol her she kicked is ass. Cliff walked around like a proud father. Beth wanted to talk about how badly she did and why. (I’ll give Beth one thing about one of her complaints with Jackson. She says he always cuts her off when she’s talking and she’s right. I’ve noticed everyone in the house does it to her more and more often. Yes, its rude to do that to anyone but people can only take so much. They hit a point where they know where something is heading with her and they don’t want to hear the same thing 500 times, especially if they have an actual point to make. It may be rude but it’s better than looking at her and saying ” would you shut the f*ck up?”
  • Nicole was the most excited I think I’ve ever seen anyone after winning a comp. I don’t mean the adrenaline fueled excitement because you just saved your game. This was happiness stemming from a sense of self worth and pride in ones self and it was fantastic! Nicole and Cliff had a private storage room dance:
  • They did their Zing thing with their fingers:
  • They also talked to Ovi and told him this was for him too:
  • Annnddddd Ovi was listening:
  • Jackson and Beth headed to the hoh room. He wanted to talk to her in private. Apparently, it just dawned on him that Beth could go otb if Nicole used the veto. (I think it’s because it didn’t occur to him any of them could beat him in that particular comp. He didn’t think beyond his noms) Beth was visibly alarmed. She said “I didn’t even think about that. I wish I’d thought about that beforehand. Going into that, (kind of laughs) I like, didn’t even really want to win. I was just like, ugh.” Jackson said ” What do you mean, you didn’t wanna win? Holly, there’s 5 people.” She tried to backtrack a little from the didn’t want to win part. They went back and forth over what they thought might happen. One minute he said he didn’t think she’d use it. The next minute he said she’d be crazy not to use it since Cliff is her partner and he’d use it on Beth if it were him. They also began wondering if Cliff and Nicole could betray them this week and evict Beth. It was the same back and forth. They went over how to handle it and debated over bringing it up casually or waiting for Nicole to say something. They wondered if Jackson or Beth shoud be the one to say something. Beth started to get more and more stressed and said she felt so stupid, for so many reasons. She started saying she didn’t want to be backdoored. (She wouldn’t have been because she PlAYED IN THE VETO! That’s a pet peeve of mine)  Jackson told her he really didnt see that happening and he did trust Cliff and Nice to stick to the 4. She said she didn’t want to go otb at all. (She never considered herself in any danger and didn’t want to win a veto and have to use or not use it on Tommy. This kept her out of it, as far as she was concerned. It didn’t, because if she was as close to Tommy as she was claiming, he’d have been wondering why she was saying she didn’t really care about the veto when they talked about it earlier. I’m sure Tommy knew she could go otb but he sure as hell wouldn’t have told her)
  • Meanwhile, Cliff talked to the cameras and told his family and Nicoles how amazing she was at the game and as a person. He said if he didn’t win, he hoped she did. He also said Nicole didn’t know she would’ve probably gone home if Tommy had won the veto and she was happy, he didn’t see the need to tell her.
  • Tommy tried to keep his mood up but he knew he was in trouble. He’d also revealed his secret to the couple in power and 5 hours later, the other couple was in power.
  • Clifd and Nicole discussed getting rid of Tommy. They know it’s risky but fear Tommy in comps more than Beth. They also don’t want to give up jury votes by breaking their word when Tommy vs Beth may be a close call anyway. Nicole said she was just going to get it over with and tell them she was using the veto but nothing shady was going to happen.
  • Nicole told Jackson and he told her he was fine with it. (So much for talking her out of it. Lol)
  • They talked to Beth and Jackson and told them she was going to use the veto but said they were the F4 and not to worry.  (I really wanted Nicole to tell Beth ‘she was complaining and saying she wanted the entire BB experience so there ya go’ but I knew that wouldn’t happen) Beth tried to look ok with it:
  • Nicole was in the DR and after she came out, she seemed more on board to switch things around. People will say the DR talked her into it and they probably do prefer Beth leave but Nicole wasn’t ever as keen on Jackson and Beth as Cliff’s been so this is coming from Nicole. She talked to Cliff about it a little and he said they should talk about it. He said Tommy would have to swear he’d go after Jackson if they evicted Beth. (This was in no way a plan, just something to think over)
  •  Beth wasn’t feeling well again. Her fingers are numb now and a bunch of other symptoms I’m not going over because they change daily. When she was vomiting the other day, she said “I feel like my body’s shutting down.” Last night, she again said “I feel like my body’s shutting down.” She isn’t even otb yet but she isn’t handling it well at all. (This pics for you NK)
  • Once Nicole went to bed, (in the hoh room again) she talked to the camera and worked through the best option. She calls her thinking process “Nicole’s Navigational Standpoint.” She went over the options and came to the conclusion it’s better to get rid of Beth this week. She looked at the 2 v 2 or 3 vs 1 in upcoming comps. She told herself she was going to sleep on it but plans to talk to Cliff and convince him too.

I have no idea where this is going to end up by Thursday but it certainly isn’t boring. I also don’t think the decision is that cut and dry this week. I’ve leaned towards sticking with Jackson and Beth for a while. I also thought they should’ve evicted Tommy over Christie but thats because I was playing the odds for comps and Christie working with Jackson or not. When the call isn’t clear, sometimes you just have to run the numbers and let that make the call. You can also choose to chuck all that and go with your gut. Regardless of what I’ve thought or anyone else thinks, there isn’t a right decision this week. There also isn’t a wrong one. This is a more difficult call than we usually see on BB and it’s too close to say this one is right, this one’s  dumb, that’s a big mistak, etc.

Sure, if they keep Tommy, he wins the next veto and evicts Cliff or Nicole over Jackson, it would’ve been the wrong call but they don’t know the future. What if in the future, they would’ve lost the same comp to Beth? I think any of us saying it needs to be one way or there’s only one correct move, are injecting our personal wishes into it, even if we’ve convinced ourselves we arn’t.

Other than knowing for sure if Tommy would promise to evict Jackson and keep his word or knowing which one, out of Cliff/Nicole, Jackson and Beth would keep, there’s only 3 things to consider in my opinion. Theres no way of knowing the two things I just mentioned so lets focus on these. If you’re Cliff and/or Nicole:

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  • Who can I beat in comps and how many do I have to win?
  • Who would take me to F3 or maybe F2?
  • Who can I beat in the F2?

Here’s the problem, the answer to these questions arn’t the same name for every one. That’s why this is so tricky. The answers may be different for Nicole than they are for Cliff too.  Will Nicole and Cliff find out Tommys secret and will they have the same moronic reaction as Jackson and Beth did? That could also change things. For now, I say we all just chill out and enjoy Beth going on the block. We’ve got time to sort out the rest.

Have a great Sunday.   Mel

 

 

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  1. JennX

    “she hasn’t had a chance to make an impression, be herself, show who she is, blah, blah” – Beth

    Actually she HAS had the chance, she just didn’t take it! She let herself believe that this was one of the many Bachelor/Bachelorette type reality shows and not BigBro. She basically quit playing for the half mil and let herself be played by Sir Snax-a-Lot. I do kinda feel sorry for her that she is so desperate for the attention/followers/likes she took any opportunity to be on a show that is built on lies, cutthroat competition and backstabbing.

    I honestly wish she would find validation from within herself and not from the Jacksons, the H8fuls, her perceived character portrayal & the social media influencer mentality. She deserves to feel like she is “enough” just because of who she truly is, not because of some 100% fake persona that she is nearly killing herself to achieve. Her success in life may not be what she dreamed it would be, but she will find herself so much happier and healthier if she lets herself be successful for who and what she actually is. She can do it, if she is able to set aside the mentality o trying to fit what she thinks she is supposed to be and shows who she actually is.

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      I think much of the insecurities she has come from the pageant life she led.

      • Vikki T

        McGuire – I can say yes and no to blaming the pageant life. I have known a few women that lived that life since small girls (state and national level) and they cane out confident, loving women. They took the judging and persona to be only during pageant time and the remainder of life they were themselves. It is hard to separate the two and takes determination and a strong personality.

  2. hogwild

    Your right Mel there is no simple easy choice right now it’s a crap shoot either way over hte last few comps in the thin ice comp Tommy was right on Nicoles heels Holly wasn’t even close in the what the bleep one they were even Both Tommy and Holly got five right don’t know how they compared to each other in the HOH Jackson won and we will see tonight and in last nights veto Tommy I believe came in second even though it wasn’t close and I don’t know that I buy Hollys she wasnt trying that hard to win. So from a comp standpoint I would say Tommy is more dangerous than Holly from the who do you trust standpoint you know right where you stand with Jackson and Holly and what you have to do with Tommy you really don’t know what he would do maybe he aligns with Nicole and Cliff if they keep him but the odds are just as good he goes with Jackson to get back at those who put him and Christie OTB and keep them there. All of this could make for a much less boring week than we thought we would have.

    • WhereisPablo

      Agreed Hog and Mel is right in that our hopes for who goes have personal opinions woven in. Mine sure do. When I heard Beth say, Most people think Wyoming is in the South, my brain snapped and I understood why people want her out and was considering that stance. Soon after, TT did a hitch kick in the mirror above the stove while sautéing zucchini and I was right back where I started. I can tolerate her selfish, irritating ways longer than the sideshow that is TT.

      • JennX

        Most people know that the only thing Wyoming is south of is Canada! **eye roll at how much Beth is smarter than ‘Murica**

      • JennX

        *Canada and Montana… oops.
        But definitely no one thinks it s in The South.

      • Mary

        Holly saying most people think Wyoming is in the South- she must hang around some pretty dumb people. Old Faithful (no pun intended) at Yellowstone National Park, Grand Teton National Park. Gosh, that’s 6th & 7th grade Geography, to know all the states and capitals, well that’s if they still teach that.

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      ” the odds are just as good he goes with Jackson to get back at those who put him and Christie OTB and keep them there.”

      Especially since he was talking to the camera the other night saying he was faking about being in a good mood and that he was really bitter about him and Christie being put on the block.

  3. SoftKitty

    I’m so torn over what Nicole should do! But I think I’m sticking to my original guns and hope she goes with evicting Holly=Beth. Even if TT might be harder to beat in upcoming competitions, beating a combination homance would be harder.

  4. Alda

    Mel,you’ve said it all.For now just relish that Holly/Beth will be on the block. There will be a big decision to make,but maybe not today.

  5. RebeccaC

    GREAT recap as always, Mel, and worth waiting for! I love how your autocorrect changed “Cliff and Nicole” to “Cliff and Nice” One time. Haha – it fits!! Karma.

  6. RebeccaC

    I’m nearly as old as dirt but for you young-uns out there – a life lesson straight from the Big Brother house. Don’t be a Holly and look to make your life relevant by attaching yourself to someone else because it will leave you doubting, dissatisfied and fearful. Instead, be a Nicole and do the hard work to grow in character, confidence and achieve relevance on your own two feet. You will be proud, fulfilled and in control of your own destiny.

    • JennX

      Preach!

      I learned this lesson the hard way and it almost got me killed (more details in my comments posted last night on the “Big Brother 21 – Big Turn Of Events In The House” post)

      • RebeccaC

        I was unable to find the details you speak of in yesterday’s comments. I hope you will repost them! Sounds like a good read.

      • JennX

        Rebecca it was about Holly claiming to have PTSD, how casually she throws it around, and how it’s kinda the fad diagnosis right now – most of which is self diagnosed. She may or may not have it, I honestly don’t know but my inclination is if she truly suffered from PTSD as bad as she claims she would not put herself into the kind of uncontrolled pressure cooker like BB, nor would the doctors and psych team have given her a green light. There are too many variables that could derail her life and sanity. I was unfortunately in a domestic violence relationshit for several years (emotional, physical, sexual, torture, attempted murder and more).. I escaped 4 years ago and have years of therapy.
        I mentioned my first response to the Jolly fight was that JJ was right, Beth was wrong and she shouldn’t have pissed him off. She should have known better., etc, etc. but after reading the perspective of the majority of people I realized I had slipped back into old thinking habits of “don’t piss off the narcissist”. But I realize that he did some major stonewalling and gaslighting. Interrupting everything and trying to make her believe that she is not allowed to think or feel something unless he tells her to.

        Please feel free to ask anything anytime. Seriously! I’m at a point in my life that I understand what happened and itt’s finally ok to talk about. Both from a personal and objective perspective
        That was the gist of my previous comments… it was sometime between midnight and 3am I believe.

      • JennX

        Rebecc (and anyone else interested) my original comments about the PTSD stuff is on the Friday recap at 4:35pm. My apologies!
        https://bigbrotherjunkies.com/big-brother-21-friday-recap-for-9-6-19/#comment-196616

      • RebeccaC

        Thanks for sharing, Jenn, that was life or death for you. Wow. Doesn’t get any more serious than that! So glad you escaped and got help. It’s so true that we are taught certain reactions to these things and we go with the flow and don’t take the time to run it through our personal BS filter before choosing a side. Could be very dangerous. For both their sakes I hope Holly and Jackson split up after the show. A lot of unhealthy things going on IMO.

    • Tam

      Amen…..Amen…….Amen……

    • danmtruth

      Well said well played Thank you

  7. JennX

    If Beth was actually at the point of felling like her body was shutting down or that she has neuropathy (numbness) in her hands and feet, she would self-evict or get a medical eviction from the doctors on staff. She has made a loud and obnoxious point of saying how sick & weak she is. Makes it a point to let everyone know all of her symptoms, what meds she is begging the DR for and when she takes them or ‘forgets’ to take and has to go get them. Yet drinking the alky-hol, eating the super rich foods with zero hand washing, having a personal dance party and getting her freak on with JJ tells a different story.

    She wants to appear weaker, like a zero-threat so that someone will drag her to the end. I despise her -Beth – as a player. I have no opinion about her -Holly- as a person because she has been so consumed with her image and ‘storyline’ that I doubt the true Holly Allen has ever been seen in the Hamster Cage. And that’s a damn shame. She could potentially be an awesome person, as we have grown to know Nicole is, but I doubt we will ever know.

    • mm22

      Hollybeth doesn’t like jj giving attention to Nicole but she’s also heard
      Cliff say several times that Nicole has to be americas sweetheart
      and that has got to make Hollybeth very jealous! Hollybeth wants to
      be our sweetheart and I’m sure she can’t understand why she’s not.

      • Mel

        You’re so right. I thought the same thing because she’s been in the room for so much of the talk. I about fell over when they were bragging on her win and Cliff and Jackson made Nicole an honorary southerner and Beth said most people think Wyoming is in the south. Sure, maybe stupid people.

      • JennX

        I think Holly is internally screaming “why isn’t Jackson paying me the same kind of attention” and “Why is SHE America’s sweetheart and not ME”? In regards to Nicole.

        Beth… it’s because you think you are playing a character on TV and not letting yourself be seen. Maybe if you weren’t so hellbent on image and influencer status and one-upping every motha-effing story told by anyone else… we and your housemates would be able to see you. Instead of this carefully crafted facade that is rapidly crumbling.

      • hogwild

        Only those who have never looked at a map of the United States think Wyoming is in the south

      • Vikki T

        If Wyoming is in the south, then why do we not have somewhat similar weather. I want to have a Christmas where you do not pull out shorts to wear.

      • Tam

        That’s the truth, Vikki!!!!! Two weeks of winter is not fun……Ready for some cool weather that is not muggy…..

  8. Mary

    Hoping that they get the back yard, so Nicole and Cliff can have a one on one talk about the pro’s and con’s about who to evict, without the others hanging outside the door listening. Someone mentioned that Cliff has a final 3 with Jackson and Holly, which I wasn’t aware of. So it makes sense that he wants to keep Holly, regardless of any final 4 deal. Holly wanted to break that and send Cliff to jury and keep Tommy.

    Speaking of Holly, she says she has had a lot of head injuries; car accident, thrown by a horse, etcetera. Read on Jokers she said she was in an car accident texting and driving. Now I know she’s a dumb a$$, if she was the one doing that. Holly with all her talk about the other ladies being mean girls, she has done enough of that herself. I really don’t know if she realizes we have seen a lot of her, and her uppity attitude. So she has been relevant, just not the way she may have hoped for.

    Personally prefer her to be evicted over Tommy, to me she is just as conceited as Jack was. Wouldn’t be a bit surprised if she mows her lawn in a thong bikini for attention. Tommy has studied the days more, though as most have pointed out, even Jackson said to Holly, it’s better to split the up showmance. I do think Tommy is a stronger player than Holly when it comes to mental. Will enjoy her fretting, while she is on the block.

  9. AIO_7

    MMMMMMM; Brunch with Mel, and Nicole is in charge … doesn’t get any better!

  10. MartyMar

    Provided Scenario one and two in an earlier thread, and (same as Jackson), never even gave thought to scenario three! Shame on me, but here it is:

    Scenario Three: Nicole pulls Veto win, takes Cliff down and they send Holly packing. In this scenario, either Nicole, Cliff or TT is the next HOH.

    A) TT is HOH: puts up Jax/Cliff, Veto winner is:
    (1) TT: Nicole is sole vote, votes out Jax
    (2) Jax: Jax is sole vote, votes out Cliff
    (3) N or C: N or C is sole vote, votes out Jax
    [TT as HOH: Nicole probably stays; Cliff has 75% shot at F3; Jax has 25% shot F3 (has to win veto)]

    B) Nicole or Cliff is HOH: puts up TT/Jax, Veto winner is:
    (1) Jax: Jax is sole vote, votes out TT (I don’t think Jax faults N/C for getting Beth out)
    (2) N or C: Cliff is sole vote, votes out TT (crap shoot, but think they’ll stay closer to Jax)
    (3) TT: TT is sole vote, votes out Jackson
    [Nicole or Cliff as HOH: both Nicole and Cliff should make F3; Jax has 75% F3 shot; TT has 25% (has to win veto)]

    C) Jax is HOH: puts up TT/Cliff, Veto winner is:
    (1) N or C, N or C is sole vote, votes out TT
    (2) Jax, Nicole is sole vote, votes out TT
    (3) TT: TT is sole vote, votes out (either one will make me sad)
    [Jax as HOH: 75% odds of N/C making F3; TT with 25% (please lose veto!)]

    LET’S MANIFEST TO NICOLE! BEST ODDS EVER IF BETH GOES THIS WEEK!

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  12. AIO_7

    Here is the way I see it. Sure, there are VARIABLES like who will be easier to beat next week: but there is one CONSTANT, and that is that if Jax and Beth are up against you in F3, either Nicole or Cliff, neither of them are going to take you to F2. At this point it would be a pushover to get a commitment from Tommy to take you to F2. Hopefully Nicole notices Beth and Jax lazing in each others arms all week and figures it out.

    Another thing; if either Cliff or Nicole are going to win, both of them have to be in F2 because the Six Shooters dominate the jury house. I hold that if Jax, Tom or Beth are in F2 against Cliff or Nic., then any of those three would win.

  13. hogwild

    Kind of have to wonder do you really want someone out who couldn’t figure out if someone came off the block she was the only option to go up.

  14. Tam

    LOL, Hog. Does make you wonder, but still. Better safe than sorry like with the whole CC ordeal. I feel like production is even tired of HB. Notice a few times she tries to say something they cut to fish. Even when she was balming up the lips and trying to say something to the cameras FISH……whether it is intentional or not, it is still pretty funny. Poor fish…..I know that are really tired of the bs, too….Seems like they should have a vote because they get a lot of camera time…..Even they show preference to Nicole…..

    • Robin

      Hey Tam, maybe they are trying to save her from herself. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. FAH seems to be crumbling before our eyes and they are shielding the worst of it.

  15. Nikki

    I may have a slightly selfish reason for Holly going out the door next.

    At the start of the season, Jackson was one of my top 3 I wanted out ASAP.

    However, as a lot of 24 year olds, I think he was easily led astray. He was caught up in Jack’s awful behavior. Holly seems to lead him down a questionable path.

    However, after Jack left I noticed a change. Once he got his zing, he’s been making an effort and Nicole seems to bring out his best.

    It would be nice to see him surrounded by good influences (C & N) to complete the transformation. ❤️❤️

    • hogwild

      I felt the same way about Jackson and agree Jack got him on that macho jerk frat boy path at the start of the season and after he was gone you saw a change for the better in him Holly and all her baggage and drama don’t help him.

    • ElaineB

      This couple has done a number on me. Me too, wanted Jackson out ASAP, in the beginning. Early on, when Jack and Sis were conjoined, Holly was working the room, and not always around Jackson. As they got super-glued, the needle moved for me in the direction of liking Jackson more, and disliking Holly. While she is needy/clingy and annoying, Jackson has continued to mend/cultivate relationships, with other HGs.

    • Avatar

      Yes I love when women always blame the girl over the guy. You can always count on it. I am not being flippant, your post made me smile.

      End of the day, women do not hate anyone else more than they hate one another. Jackson hooked up with multiple women, but we can always count on the women being labeled the slut.

      • Mary

        Why is it that, a women has several sex partners and is considered a loose woman, and called all sorts of names, but a man sleeps around and he is considered a hero or stud. Never made sense to me, to me there both sluts. Except I don’t think there is a word for male promiscuity.

        Heck, Nick even admitted to having sex with all his ex’s girlfriends, and they just laughed. Like that was something to be proud of.

      • Tam

        Preach, Mary, preach……

        Oh NN, I wouldn’t be proud of that. His poor gf. Hope she dumped him like hot coals….

  16. Ashley

    Nicole uses the veto, so Beth and Tommy are on the block. Cliff votes out Tommy, and Nicole votes out Beth. Jackson has to break the tie and votes out Beth — LOL, a girl can dream.

    • Tam

      That is a beautiful dream. And you know she would tell everyone about TT & CC. Been trying to get some things done around here and listening to all the talk. TT acting ignorant on Nugget was treated by Jack just blew my mind…..He was apart of all that being a damn cheerleader. So was the Hateful8 & SixShitters. Then trying to cover their tracks with good talk about Ovi and Kemi….OK….. Whewww…back to laundry……..As The Big Brother BS continues……

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    Doesn’t matter who goes on the block, Jackson is winning this….easily.

    He will win the POV next week. Rest of them are playing for 2nd place. I’d hate to finish 2nd. I’d rather be evicted 1st.

  18. Tam

    A tune for the house day as they go thru scenarios …….
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqSKl7sdUa8

  19. Mary

    OH HELL NO, let’s go back and watch these witches, please change the W for a B. Better yet, listen to what that piece of crap Holly says to Nicole, then it starts, and listen to Tommy and the rest of those a$$holes.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QD9q7_WAM10

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    I think Cliff already knows the Tommy/Christie connection. He & Tommy were togeth in backyard when drone came over & announced it. Production called in Cliff & shutdown the feeds. He was told to never speak of it via his conversation in boat room to his family. He referred to “the incident” but unable to give details until after the show ends.

  21. hogwild

    Here is a feed update for what it’s worth Jackson and Tommy playing backgammon shocker Cliff is in DR FAH nowhere to be seen Nicole cleaning the sinks in the bathroom.

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    The problem I see is Tommy still has that 6 shooter alliance mentality & that includes Jackson, plus he’s mad Nicole put him & Christie on the block. I believe he is better at comps than Beth.

    • hogwild

      That is my take as well bubba in the on thin ice comp he was right on Nicoles heels and finshed second in BB comics.

    • AIO_7

      The thing is that Tommy knows he and Jax would have to split Six Shooter votes in F2, but would clean up against Cliff or Nicole. Plus, at this point it would be easy as pie to get a F3, F2 commitment from Tommy. He has nothing to lose.

      For me, it’s a huge mistake to keep Beth.

      • Tam

        AIO, I would NOT be upset to see her on a raft with a candle waving goodbye as she goes down the river of bs she has been floating on and calling it game…….
        Don’t like anyone of them, personally, for the fakeness, except Nugget and Cliff because how they have been treated all season…….Mary’s post of all the group upstairs just confirms it for me. And Sam witnessing it all was just priceless. He was funny saying he should be gr8ful, lol. The cocky cluelessness of them is funny. JH full of idiots…….Watching Kat was funny. Ding dong….Cliff’s is not my father….

    • Mel

      He also has their votes in jury. (Probably) If Nicole burns them, he may have Jacksons and Beth’s too.

  23. Tam

    Awwhhh, Nugget, keep that fire, sugar. Let it burn and take them down……..Just love her!!!

  24. NKogNeeTow

    @Mel

    I give myself the same affirmation that you do.

    TT had no idea who Muhammad Ali was but if she had said Fred Astaire, he could have related. I LOVE Fred Astaire BTW.

    “Maybe that’s why she didn’t focus on what Tommy knowing Christie could mean in the game…or maybe she’s and idiot.” I’ll take door #2.

    DAMN YOU FOR THAT PICTURE MEL! She looks like the devil. I hate you SO much! LOLOLOLOL

  25. Sabrina

    It is a HUGE pet peeve of mine also about people thinking what back doored is. If you are back doored, that means you didn’t get a chance to play in the veto. My ex husband and I used to fight about this every year, most likely the reason he is my ex.

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