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Home / Big Brother 13 / Jackson Michie: A Portrait of the Past

Jackson Michie: A Portrait of the Past

Hi all! I’m sorry that it’s been a while since I posted. I was away but now I’m back and I’m excited and the past few weeks have been… weird like Steve said. Who would have thought at the beginning of the game that Cliff and Nicole would still be alive at this point or Nicole would turn into a competition phenom? Not I. However, there is one person who has been playing Big Brother from Day 1. His name is Jackson Michie.

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Michie, Jackson, Jack, Machiavelli, whatever you want to call him does not matter because Michie is the best player this season. All the way back to offering to be Camp Director on Day 1 or placing that lone vote as a member of Gr8ful the early summer to throw shade at Nicole to this week’s little eavesdrop that led to the explosive house meeting.  If you remember from my first few articles, I hinted at how unlikely he and I could work together, but I bow to his gameplay. He is a modern incarnation of Evil Dick (S8, S13), Derrick (S16) and a male version of Janelle (S6, S7, S14)

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Dick had the nastiness about him, he was unafraid of confrontation, and he willing to cut deals. He burned Jen’s hands with his cigarette, banged pots and pans to wake everybody up, and saved his BB life – with the help of his daughter Danielle (S8, S13) – by cutting a deal with a rival duo at the time. Just when Michie’s showmance was going to be split apart, he manipulates the house so well that he breaks Tommy down to tears and screams. While manipulation was a part of Derrick’s game, the Season 16 winner was not portrayed as harsh as Michie – likely because Derrick was not as harsh as Michie.

Michie pays attention and says little things to stir the pot. He was a catalyst for this year’s Taco Tuesday fight, encouraging Nick and Christie’s suspicions and distrust against each other. He saw the opportunity to listen to Tommy, Cliff, and Nicole discuss a final three deal upstairs and spun it in his favor. Tommy is the sixth jury member – marking two-thirds of the jury – to see his game come to an end because of Michie. Jack, Juror #1, was voted out sitting next to Michie on eviction night on Day 51. Sis joined jury on Day 65 concluding Michie’s first HOH week. Nick was evicted a week later at the end of Holly’s second HOH reign, but in all honesty, Michie had a lot to do with that. Jessica, initially happy that Michie won his second HOH, saw that happiness evaporate when she realized, and ultimately, got evicted on Day 79. Christie, Michie’s arch-nemesis, got evicted during Double Eviction Night because Nicole put her and Tommy up honoring a Final Four deal with Michie and Holly. Lastly, the lovable functional dysfunctional Tommy was sent out of the house into jury house because of a lie Michie made up to scare Cliff and Nicole. Derrick could surely have played as dirty a game as Michie and probably better, but Derrick, a former undercover cop, never stooped down to that level. I respect Michie’s gameplay, but I still feel that I would not enjoy sitting with him at the kitchen table.

As I mentioned above, Janelle and Michie have a similarity. They are comp BEASTS. Janelle won a combined 13 HOH and PoV titles (6 HOH, 7 PoV). And that was over 3 seasons. Michie has grabbed 6 titles (3 HOH, 3 PoV) this season alone. If CBS brought him back – and I don’t think Michie would want to come back anyway – imagine how many more comp wins the guy could have. I think physical players in modern Big Brother win comps and stay in the game longer than they used to. The houseguests who throw comps and get far like Dan from Season 10 are evicted faster nowadays.

Whatever you name him, Michie is proving something to us this season: You don’t have to like the person and you don’t need to care if you are that person, but you certainly need be willing to win everything to win 500k.

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  1. Mary

    Good recap Mike. Glad Nicole decided to entertain us.

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    One thing to remember about Dick: that was the year that “America’s player”, at least that is what I think they called it. Everyone calls Dick a master manipulator, but he was as good as gone. Production (America) gave the player the assignment of saving Dick. If not for that, he wouldn’t have even made the jury.

    Dick was kept around for comic relief. He was entertaining. But he is also a slab of trash.

    Jackson definitely has played a winning game. Not a great game, but with this horrible cast, he has played so far.

    Now I think I have a better chance of getting hit on the head with a meteorite, but I would love for Cliff or Nicole to win the POV comp this week. If either of them want a shot at winning, they absolutely must send him packing.

  3. NKogNeeTow

    I’d like to address 3 things before BBAD starts tonight.

    1. HAPPY ANNIVERSARY STEVE AND MELINDA!

    2. It’s come to my attention that over the past few threads, there has been a few harsh words between fellow board members. This is a friendly reminder again that you may go after the HG all you want. But you may NOT attack another board member. You don’t have to like each other but you will respect each other. If you have a problem with a comment, you have the options of thumbing it down, bypassing it, or sending the poster a private message. Please keep your personal feelings about other members either to yourself or within the confines of personal messages between the two of you. Everybody on the board don’t need to see it and I won’t have people taking sides and turning this site into a free for all. Thanks.

    3. I’d like to apologize for going off on a tangent last night. I was LIVID! I’m not apologizing for what I said, I meant every word of it. But I could have reigned it in a little better. After a good night’s sleep and some time to calm down. I feel much better now. Not promising that if they get ridiculous again tonight, I won’t pop off again, but I’ll do my best not to. 🙂

    • Kari

      I find it incredibly sad that people are not respecting your rules no matter how much you say to. I haven’t been reading lately but I’m truly sorry you’re having to deal with this issue yet again.
      .

    • TeeJ

      From day one on this site the moderation and commitment to the limit of players only bashing was clear and communicated in a post similar to this one.
      I like when you are less self-moderated you sometimes provide, NK. Your opinions and thoughts are insightful and presented with a level of sarcasm that I really enjoy.

      • Robin

        Agreed, I never read the rules it was just apparent in the way people addressed each other. The great attraction is great insights and fun commentary in a mature pleasant environment. We all have a moments of raving against the machine, but can still be civil to each other. Love it here!

      • NKogNeeTow

        I really only try to step in when I have to. We’re all adults here. I’m not trying to stifle anyone’s creativity or sway them one way or another. Your opinions are your own. This has always been a clean run site and I just want everyone here to respect each other. We always have the ability to agree to disagree. The one thing I hate the most about the CBS Chat sometimes is that is his heavily censored. Now sometimes I can understand why but I think at times they go a bit far.

    • SoftKitty

      That’s one of the reasons I love this board. The respect between the posters. I’ve seen on others where they rip each other apart for disagreeing. Just because you’re commenting anonymously, doesn’t make it okay to be an asshole. Thanks for always looking out for us NK!

    • Joy

      What happened? I must of missed something. You are always on point.

  4. NKogNeeTow

    BBAD: Dante’s Inferno: Abandon all hope ye who enter here…

    Kitchen:

    Nicole and Chicken Shit Cliff *yeah, I kinda like it* are studying the Memory Wall together. They are paying attention to everything from eyelashes to face shapes. They are comparing their pictures to the others to remember features. Kiss-My-Ass-Jackson *yeah, I kinda like that one too* comes in and Cliff tells him what they are doing. Without even really looking at the board, JJ tells them who has blue and green eyes. *Hope N/C noticed that*. Cliff says he thinks the guys are harder than the girls.

    JJ tells them they are not going to use easy eyes that are more recognizable. He points out the eyes, noses and mouths that they probably will or won’t use. JJ says he really wishes he had paid attention to the season more. Cliff agrees. Nicole gets called to the DR and leaves. JJ tells Cliff that he could tell that his gears were turning. He tells Cliff that if he’s thinking about not keeping him he hopes he will tell him. Cliff assures him that everything is the same. JJ tells him that he has a little PTSD about it. *Shit*

    JJ says he would shoot himself in the foot if he didn’t ask. Cliff tells him that he talked to Nicole about it and theoretically that taking him over FAH will make it a little difficult. JJ says that at this poiint everyone’s paranoia is peeking. He says that FAH is playing her own game. Cliff says he knows. JJ snows him by telling him that he and FAH have talked about when they leave they will be friends. He says he thought about every scenario between now and finale night. He says it’s a shitty situation but it’s the game.

    Cliff says he talked to FAH and she told him. JJ says as weird as it is he and Cliff are like the closest showmance. *What a crock!* He says that over the next 5 days it will be their (J/H) last few days and he hopes Cliff understands that they might be close for the last few days. *This is a set-up so Chicken Shit won’t think it strange to see them so close.*

    FAH comes out and JJ asks her if she’s okay. She says she can’t talk about it. He says he’s not asking her for medical details he’s just asking if she’s alright. She does her usual and mumbles something. *Still not listening to her.*

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  5. Kari

    As much as this pains me to say, because I cannot stand the SOB oh, you’re right. I just hope they somehow managed to get him out but that ain’t happening unless he loses the PoV. (??!!)

    I had no idea that Dick had burned the girl. What the hell happened in that regard? Was he not kicked out? If not that’s complete bs. I didn’t start watching till after his season obviously.

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      It was BS, Kari, and I was shocked as I watch it. Make no mistake, I admit that I am very obnoxious but he was always over the line.

      Now to be fair, the girl he did these things too may very well be the most spoiled and self entitled brat that was ever on BB. She even cried because she didn’t like her picture on the memory wall. Yeah, she was hot but really annoying.

      The things they allowed him to get away with then, they would be sued for now. He would dump ice water on a particular contestant’s head and call her bitch all the time.

      Imagine if a guy tried to do that now.

  6. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Kitchen:

    Cliff and JJ are talking about sports. FAH is sitting on the oddly placed sofa chewing like a cow. JJ is cooking while Cliff paces the floor. JJ mentions something about a girl he dated and FAH looks clearly uncomfortable. *Yea!* He tells her they are just talking about colleges. She shrugs and says “I don’t care.” By the look on her face, she clearly does. *Hope this causes trouble in Shangri-La tonight.*

    All during Cliff and JJ’s conversation, FAH just says “yeah”. The camera pans to her face on and off and she looks completely bored, uninterested, and annoyed at the same time. The Wide World of Sports talk continues. *Love how the came keeps showing close ups and extended shots of FAH’s face. Every so often she mumbles something but they keep talking as if she isn’t there.

    She tells JJ that she might have lied and she might want a bite of chicken. Cliff says he’s not that hungry. JJ says he’s force feeding himself right now. Cliff walks out and JJ sits next to the Trampoline and they start whispering. Sounds like she asked him what they were talking about. He is whispering low and fast. He tells her that he was such a good kid and he hopes they bring him back (T). He says he doesn’t want to see David back. He goes to check the chicken and she tells him to let the smoke out because she already can’t breathe. *I’m trying to be good…*

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  7. Mary

    Did production paint the deer antlers? or have they always been pink? I don’t remember them being that color.

  8. danmtruth

    I had posted on a different thread that Jackson hes been doing a good job with this group Yet i wounder how well he would have done against players who are a bit more awear Yes he did a good job of arranging the Tavo Tuesdays fight Yet he had plenty of help with people making vad game moves That help him fall into good luck Any player who changed hus primary target – christie – because his showmance was worried abiut someone who could not even go after himself Compound that with he tookout a person who was a vote for him This was just one of a few mistakes normal game players vould gave taken advantage of

  9. Mary

    If he is forcing himself to eat, which I have hard time believing, he sure is devouring that food like he hasn’t eaten all day.

  10. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Kitchen:

    JJ is telling FAH that he didn’t want to put much stuff on the chicken in case she didn’t want it. She says it’s just her stomach but she will try it eat it. *When is that hypocondriac leaving?* Cliff says it’s nice to eat food with an expiration date on it that is after they get out of the house. JJ agrees. JJ sits down with a plate that looks like it was meant for 2. FAH complains something about her food. JJ tells her he’s glad he didn’t put anything on it. She mumbles something. *That’s all she ever does.*

    Cliff fixes himself a big glass of milk and says they called Nicole in and he wonders what that means. Cliff says they need to get rid of some of the eggs. JJ tells them where they were found. JJ tells them at the beginning of the season he ate a tortilla chip that took a chunk out of his gum and he had to take tweezers and yank it off. *Such pleasant dinner conversation*. After that story, they eat in silence.

    Cliff isn’t really eatinng, more staring off. He mentions something about the people on the Memory Wall. He and JJ stare at it. JJ says he’s curious what the plan was alliance-wise, showmance-wise. He says he is very curious. FAH says something about the behind the scenes fantasy league. JJ tells Cliff that he bets there were a few juice free bets when he got banished. He explains what that means and how the payoff goes. JJ tells him that by getting banished he probably made some people a lot of money and even more when he was voted out.

    FAH says a lot of people lost a lot of money betting on Ovi, Kemi, and David. JJ says of all of them he would have put his money on David. Cliff agrees. Cliff asks him if their pictures were blacked out when they were in the house. JJ says yes.

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  12. Robin

    Cliff needs a stick for poking the Hooly bear. Now is the time to start another fight between them.

    • Mary

      Just give her a box of wine, that will help get things rolling.

    • TeeJ

      Only saw the brief bit of “the” meeting but Tommy left Nicole and Cliff a opening to knock Holly further off balance. If nothing else, Holly seems genuinely concerned about her image both inside and outside the house. She may not care enough to do anything to help her image but I think she cares on some level. We just need a short conversation like: “Holly, you have a great image and have played an honest game.” Followed by “I am so happy you are playing own game. What a relief that Jackson was telling the truth about Tommy. You won’t have to worry about it hurting you outside the house.”

  13. Mary

    The table looks smaller again, did they change that today too.

  14. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Kitchen:

    JJ washes some dishes then stands in front of the open fridge and eats. *After that big tub-o-food he just had.* He asks FAH if she wants to go get horizontal for a little while. She says yes. Cliff says he might too, just in case he gets called later.

    Outer Bedroom:

    FAH and JJ get comfy under the covers and immediately start to whisper. It’s hard to hear what they are saying. He is complaining again about them (C/N) strong arming them into a corner and says it just doesn’t make him feel good. He points towards the door like he’s telling her to watch out (for Cliff). She starts talking almost in pantomime. You really can’t make out what they’re saying. The cam keeps jumping from them to Cliff walking around in the bathroom.

    JJ tells her he thinks it might be Faces but he could be wrong. He says he doesn’t think it will be physical because they just did one. He says he’s just tired and wants to go to bed. He says he doesn’t want to go in (DR) but he knows he might have to. She is partially obstructing her mic so her voice is kind of muffled. He tells her he would be more mad at her not doing what’s best for her game. She says the same. He tells her she didn’t have him before but he has her now and afterwards. *Boy I’ll bet Mama Michie is sitting next to the TV holding a baseball bat and practicing her swing.*

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  15. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Outer Bedroom:

    FAH and JJ are laying there in silence. He clears his throat and tells her he’s getting congested and his allergies are getting to him. He says the room is huge and suggest they go sleep in the buck room. She mumbles something. *They need to tell her ass to get off that mic.* He tells her to go sit in the bathroom in the stool. *They never cease to find a way to drag in that poor stool.*

    Nicole comes out of the DR and goes into the Camper. She tells Cliff that he can have the HOH tonight if he wants. She says that JJ/FAH can also have a day.

    Outer Bedroom:

    JJ is telling her that she (N) is a grown ass woman and doesn’t need permission for anything. FAH tells him that their actions are making her regret she gave up the HOH win. JJ tells her he’s going to bust his ass so he can take himself off the block and vote. He says how the hell can you force 2 people apart then tell one of them you’re not taking him to the finals but expect you to take him.

    HOH:

    Nicole is telling Cliff that JJ scares her. Cliff says he wishes he hadn’t made the deal. He says he told JJ that if he won the Veto, Nicole interrupts him and says if she wins it, then Cliff interrupts her and says he would be the deciding vote and that might hurt him. Their conversation is very choppy because they keep interrupting each other.

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  16. TeeJ

    It is a slow Friday night and I had too much time on my hands.

    This is my first season with live feeds. They kinda suck. They kinda don’t suck.

    Before Live Feeds (BLF) figuring which players were arseholes was more difficult. BFL things were just less clear. BFL, it was a lot easier to recognize good and great game moves by all the players ***and surprisingly the “bad” game moves didn’t seem quite so…bad – hmm***. BLF when players I liked were evicted, I was…meh. BLF when a player I did not like was evicted, it was pretty cool.

    With Live Feeds (WLF) I freaking LOVE watching arseholes get evicted!!! WLF it sucks watching players I like being shown the door. WLF, for me, it is often more difficult to classify a good game move for being just that. WLF bad game moves seem like super bad game moves – as long as they are by players I like.

    Objectively the feeds just provide more screen time. More information behind each players game. A good game move is still a good game move. Live feeds are just more screen to for us to use objectively. Right? Not for me. The live feeds MAGNIFY EVERY T-H-I-N-G. Most noticeably, to me, is the personal feelings about the players. Such as they are, attachments form. I become invested in their game lives and that investment has a return. It makes me genuinely cheer for some (think Friends with Ross and Rachel) and not cheer so much for the others. It also brought me here to try and brainstorm solutions with all of you. ***OH NO!!! Are we, gulp, manifesting by doing this???*** This investment provides moments of both good and bad feelings. I added up the extra screen time AND the attachment to players. It did not equal objectivity, lol.

    Good game moves by players I like are now great moves. I hated Jackson’s game move on Tommy. I hated it even more because he is was also heavy scheming against Nicole, and Cliff. It was, objectively for him, a brilliant move. His likely doubled his odds to make F3. I don’t fault him for that. Nor do I like him for it.

    I can look at this objectively, and I make sure to take a step back fairly often. I will admit that I like feeling more a part of the show and part of this community. Though obviously not a silent part. Sorry not sorry about that 🙂

    • danmtruth

      Welvome to the rabbit hole that is live feeds Just not that lively now
      This year i cant remember having so many players afraid to make a move I blame this on the new dreeded Jury Management Early in the season i proposed a different voting system Let the furst 5 -non jury hiuse – people all get a vote If they want to watch live feeds fine but they vote Next the jury house only gets 1 vote They must come to an agreenent as to who gets the vote Than the 3 place person gets one vote They just need tospice things up Also change and shorten that last week Elimante the stroll down memorie lane Play the comp mon Dump the 3 place person on Tuesday On Wednesday start with announcing the winner of Americas favorite player Do a reunion type show spill some dirt have the vote Let us move on with our lives

    • Robin

      Great post Teej, I think you put in words what many of us experience becoming more involved in the BB world. I love the live feeds for fun, but the houseguests become more than TV, we get invested in their lives.

      • mm22

        Exactly robin-I’ve never had live feeds until half way thru this season. I only
        had info from this site to fill me in. I believed everyones comments even though
        the network showed different. When I got the feeds I could clearly see the personalities
        of the houseguests. The most surprising thing for me was how much I didn’t like most
        of them but still enjoyed watching! The ones that annoyed me the most got all
        my negative comments (sorry all) and I felt the non-feeders needed this information.

  17. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    HOH:

    Nicole tells Cliff that if she’s (FAH) isn’t going to adhere to it then she needs to go. They discuss what they think the comp might be. Cliff says he’s going to try hard but he doesn’t know what he would do if it looks like he and FAH are neck and neck. Nicole says that she doesn’t feel like she owes anyone in the game anything except him. She says that yesterday when the 2 of them were guilting her she said to herself, “Really, I’m the villian here?”

    Nicole says that her concern was when they kept saying that Tommy was coming after Cliff, it might have been better for her to take H out. She says but her main goal was for her and Cliff to be at the end together. She said it worked out because FAH threw her the HOH. She says she thinks she can win at the end. She says she’s gunning for the Veto. He says if she wins it he will just tell JJ that Nicole won it (so he won’t have to keep the deal).

    Nicole says she’s kind of avoiding so that she and Cliff can assess everything from there. Cliff says they are kind of falling apart. Nicole says that if the vote had gone a different way yesterday she thinks she would have been alright. Cliff says he just wants to get to the F3 with himself, her and whoever. She tells him that if it comes down to her making the choice, she will choose him. She tells him not to feel bad, it’s just a game. She says that if he chooses JJ she will still respect his game. He assures it’s not going to happen.

    She says if it’s between him and JJ, she’s picking him, if it’s between him and Holly, she’s picking him. If it’s between JJ and Holly, she’s picking Holly.

    FAH comes in and Nicole ask her how she’s doing. She says she’s emotionally depleted. *STFU* She says she talked to JJ and they’re on the same page. Cliff asks her how she’s doing. She says he’s fine with it. Cliff says he wants to talk to him later. She says she told him that if she wins she’s taking Cliff. *BULLSHIT FLAGS ALL OVER THE FIELD!* Cliff asks her if he’s okay with that. She says he understands and says if she picks JJ, she knows she can’t win against him.

    Nicole tells her she respects her so much for that. *If Nicole is buying this crap I hope she loses to the HIGHEST heaven!* FAH tells her she was just upset because she knew she could have won that HOH but she gave her word and she wanted to prove her loyalty and stick to her word. Cliff tells he that he and Nicole felt bad because of what they asked her to do. FAH says she and JJ talked about it and knew it was inevitable that it might come to this. She repeats the same lie that JJ told her he sent home one of her closest allies to disarm her. *He didn’t, this is a lie they concocted a few nights ago.*

    She says that the fact that he went that far she knew he was serious. Nicole says that was evil. Cliff asked her if she already knew he was going to do that. She says no. She says he just went into the DR and thats why she’s up there. She says they just have to do their own thing and she has to do what she has to for her own game.

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  18. Mary

    Think we’re all out of bull sh*t flags.

  19. Mary

    If they are buying that garbage, I have some ocean front property in Wyoming to sell them.

  20. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    HOH:

    Nicole is telling FAH that she’d like to repay her for giving up the HOH for her. *Yeah, drop kick her ass out the door.* Nicole tells her that there has to be good karma for FAH for that and it has to come back to her. *Yeah, karma’s a bitch.* FAH tells them that she and JJ talked before he went into the DR and he’s fine with everything and that they decided they are going to take a trip every year whether they are together or not. She says their first trip is Bora Bora.

    Cliff says he’s glad and he’s tired of the whispering and there is no need for anyone to be tiptoeing and whispering. He says that’s what’s part of tiring him out. He says they should just fight it out and hope for the best. FAH says she and JJ talked about how now it’s going to be every man for himself. She says the fact that it’s day 87 and they are just faces on a memory wall she feels blessed that they even got there. She says it is what it is. Cliff says he’s tired of making decisions.

    FAH parrots Cliff. Nicole says she’s tired of questioning and more questioning. She says she can’t take that anymore. FAH says whatever, it is what it is. She says she hopes she doesn’t get called into the DR. She starts to say something about her last DR and gets a warning. Nicole says she brought the last remaining doll upstairs. She said Ariel and Azul left. She says it would have been a different situation if Tommy had stayed. FAH mumbles something about the last comp.

    Nicole and Cliff says they wonder about that too. FAH says she wonders how long he would have stayed on the rope. She tells them that that’s the only thing she could give them and while she was on the rope she wondered if Tommy would have really fallen. Cliff says TV probably hates this and would probably rather see Tommy and JJ in the house this week.

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  21. Kari

    Couldn’t resist this new avatar. Sums up this season for the most part.

  22. Kari

    Another one of my weird little polls. I was thinking about this last night and I’m curious what people think.

    Thumbs UP if you think it should be okay for people to throw a comp.

    Thumbs DOWN if you think it should be wrong and if they should be punished.

    • Kari

      *and if caught

    • Mary

      Thumbed up because it’s really part of the game, especially when you are playing with an alliance. Like Kaycee did last year, she didn’t want to come on to strong, and she had an alliance behind her to keep her safe because she was on the block a lot.

      • Robin

        I agree Mary, that is often a big part of the strategy. But I’m not saying I would vote for a player that threw multiple competitions.

      • Avatar

        Both Mary and Robin made excellent points. Sums up my feelings as well

      • danmtruth

        Agree as Robin said it is part of the strategy of the game

      • Mary

        A lot of them make deals, like when there on a wall comp and they make a deal and say your safe. Also to allow someone else to see pictures and get a letter from home. I don’t think that is cheating. It’s playing the game. Didn’t Christie tell Julie that she threw comps, so as to keep her word that she wouldn’t put someone (Jackson) on the block. She just asked and hoped whoever won would do her dirty work for her.

        What I never understood about this show and some of the house guests is when they don’t win HOH, they still like to tell the head of household who to put up. That’s what bothers me. If you want to target and get someone out win the darn HOH yourself.

      • mm22

        Thumbs down for me-it’s a competition should give 100%-plus
        I wouldn’t trust anyone of my fellow contestants they want the money too

    • NKogNeeTow

      I voted down because to me throwing a comp is almost the same as cheating.

    • JennX

      I feel like if I ask you to throw a comp and you’re dumb enough to actually do it (especially this late in the game), the I totally legit won said comp. it not my fault you were so concerned about your image and that you actually believe your entire game has been played honorable, honestly and with integrity!

    • Kari

      I don’t believe it’s gameplay gameplay either I think is bs/cheating and they should have to play the game *as it is posed* or forfeit it so I voted thumbs down. Shocking I know LOL..

  23. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    HOH:

    Nicole is telling Cliff that FAH could have not gone through with the deal. She says she owes her. Cliff says she doesn’t owe her anything. Nicole says she keeps thinking when they were yelling at them in the bathroom about going back on their deal and how could they do that to them Nicole says she doesn’t want America looking at her that way. She says that she realizes that if you put game pieces on the table, they can be used against you later. She says she kept looking at it numbers wise and people will look at her for not breaking up the showmance.

    Outer Bedroom:f

    FAH is giving a full report to JJ about the convo in the HOH. He asked her if she sold it. She said completely. She said she told them she was emotionally exhausted. She says Cliff was worried that JJ would be mad at him. JJ gets very excited by this and they fist bump. She is applying on her makeup and he tells her he wants to rub against her.

    HOH:

    Cliff tells Nicole he’s going to talk to JJ. She says he may be coming up. He leaves. Nicole cam talks and says any winner of the game deserved it. She doesn’t care if you backstabbed or whatever.

    Bathroom:

    JJ and Cliff are talking. JJ is telling him he told FAH that if they have to turn on each other that only one person wins. He says that he and Holly have learned to separate personal from game and as much as it hurts him he has to do what he has to do for his game. Cliff says that he and Nicole talked this morning about Holly had a chance to win something that she was good at and gave it up. JJ tells him that in a weird way it’s pretty much he and FAH duking it out like Mr. and Mrs. Smith but if he’s going to go out he’s okay losing to her.

    JJ says if it’s one person he’s most okay with losing to it’s her. He says it’s a game and he gets it. Cliff tells him that he’s tired of the secrets and whispering that’s why he told Nicole about the deal he had with JJ. JJ says he gets it. He says he’s not going to run to FAH and tell her that if he wins he’s taking Cliff. Cliff says he wondered if she knew. JJ says he didn’t just want to throw it in her face. Cliff says he understands and he didn’t want to be the one to spill the beans to FAH. JJ says it’s totally fine.

    JJ says this is the first time he and FAH have been OTB against each other. He says he cares about her so much he wants her to do what’s best for her game. Cliff says he gets it. He says that’s why he was mopey because he wanted to talk to JJ about it all day.

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  24. Mary

    Wish Cliff would quit talking to and making deals with that punk. Jackson is playing him like a fine tuned Bassoon.

    • Amber

      He has to. VERY unlikely Cliff can win his way to final two. He knows someone has to take him. He sees Jackson as the most likely to choose. Nicole is on lock so why not at least try? He’s just trying to give himself the best chance of making it to the end.

      • danmtruth

        In the end Cliff is only lining to himself if he believes JJ will choose him over Holly or Nicole Worse that JJ would ever keep his word At worse JJ loose Cliff and Nicoles vote Dont forget Cliff was also saying how 2nd place still gets 50 grand

      • Robin

        Agree Amber, I think Cliff is trying to negotiate the 50k 2nd place.

    • mm22

      Cliff should be wiser-if you have raised children you know they get
      really good at lying n you can pretty quickly pick up on it-although
      jj is really convincing

  25. Colby

    If Nicole and Cliff are really buying any of this BS that JJ and Holly are dishing out, maybe they deserve to lose.
    There is no way JJ and Holly aren’t keeping each other if they win veto.
    And I still am not sure I believe Holly threw the HOH.

    • NKogNeeTow

      Hence the name Chicken Shit Cliff. The only way I’ll believe he’ll take Nicole now is if he actually does. Other than that I’m pretty much over and done with him. He was the old guy that outlasted a lot almost half his age. Give him a cookie, pat him on the head and send him home.

      That is all.

      • danmtruth

        NK are you saying Cliff does not take nicole to F2 ? As she is automatically in F3 I think J/H are setting C/N to thriw the POV thinking JJ will win and take Cliff No way does JJ not take Holly If N&C throw the comp they deserve to lose I hope that Holly as usual only heard what she wanted Not the fact that N& C seemed to be saying all deals are off Its win or go home

      • Colby

        I do think / hope that he would take Nicole to F2 if he was in the position to do so.
        I just don’t see them getting there unless Nicole wins this veto, and they win the final HOH comps.

      • NKogNeeTow

        Dan, I wouldn’t put anything past Cliff at this point. At least you know where Kiss-My-Ass-Jackson stands. With Cliff his crazy old ass is all over the place. And he keeps distracting Nicole away from any though process she has too. That’s why I like it better when she thinks out things alone. But as soon as she gets around him, he makes her second guess herself. He may have protected her in the past but I think she’s be better off on her own at this point. But that’s just me. 🙂

    • Mary

      @ Colby, I agree they do deserve to loose if they buy into that BS. Would have been interesting to see that HOH comp between Nicole and Holly and really see who would have won. Holly with all her aches and pains………… I can’t breath bologna this afternoon. Heck if I didn’t wake up with some sort of pain everyday at my age, I would think I was dead, except I don’t complain to other people about it like she does.

      • danmtruth

        Every change in the wrather j feel it Sitting in one postion to long yes i am of that age Along with the abuse i put my body thru Some because of the worki did some because of the things i did that i thought was fun to do at the time So yes Holly i dont want to hear about your achs and pains

      • Colby

        Yep. I am anxious to watch the HOH on Sunday.
        I’m with you on the daily aches and pains of getting older. I always say if I ran to the Dr every time something hurt, I would just have a standing daily appointment. LOL

      • Nancy

        I’d like to take holly to a children’s hospital and tell her to complain to those precious children..

    • mm22

      I thought the deal was for hollybeth to throw the pov too? The hoh I’m
      not convinced either because she has excuses for everything

    • Robin

      I agree mm22. I think this game is very physically taxing over time… think about a different bed ever night, an irregular diet, physical competitions, constant plotting and infighting. Anyone over the age of 30, or those who have a surgeries or ant health issues will start to break down at the end. IF FAH threw this one, it was only to have strength for today.

  26. Mary

    Clueless Cliff

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  28. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Bathroom:

    JJ is telling Cliff that Cliff has nothing to stress about. Cliff says he’s still going to stress. JJ tells him he’s not going anywhere and he and FAH know that. Cliff says he stresses anyway. JJ says he doesn’t blame him and he feels the same way. He says he’s doing what’s best for his game and so are the rest and that’s what he wanted for the F4. He says although they are duos they are playing as individuals. He’s piling the cow pies really high. Cliff is agreeing with everything he says. Not sure how much Cliff is buying but wouldn’t be surprised if he’s not.

    Cliff tells him that inspite of promises being made that until names are said…JJ says he hopes Cliff knows he’s good. Cliff says he’s going to be sweating and if he wins he’ll asks himself if he just gave up 500k. JJ tells Cliff that FAH means the world to him but Cliff isn’t going anywhere. He says but they will be together in 11 days. Cliff says what’s stressing him is Nicole. That she knows if he wins it it’s his decision to make. JJ says FAH was getting upset that she might not make it to finale night.

    JJ says he was trying to make her comfortable but not promising to take her to F2. He says he spoke to her in general terms. He says he told her she’s not the 4th wheel on a tricycle. He said the whole mess yesterday was from a lack of communication. JJ says they just need to get some rest for tomorrow. Cliff tells him he trust him. JJ says he just doesn’t want Cliff to be stressed and he sees it’.

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  29. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Bathroom:

    Cliff is telling JJ that 2 people are together and he and Nicole are individuals. JJ says he just wanted to check and make sure everything is good. Cliff says he just doesn’t want to get cruicifyed for a wrong decision he’s made. JJ tells him that if he has to lose the Veto he wants it to be to Holly, if he loses a half million he wants it to be Cliff. *See, this is when I’d just get up and walk away.* Cliff tells JJ he feels better. JJ tells him that Cliff’s body language he can feel that he needed to get things off of his chest.

    JJ says it will be a quick 11 days. He says it will be 1 person every 6 days then 1 person every 4 days. Cliff says there is a part balancing between the greed, and walking a line. JJ says and it’s all on record and they have the video and audio. Cliff says he’s wondering how it looks to America that FAH threw Nicole the HOH. FAH comes in and says in a baby voice to JJ that she’s ready to go to bed. *Cliff, I’m begging you, PLEASE prove me wrong!*

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  30. NKogNeeTow

    Dan, check your messages.

  31. Mary

    Clueless Cliff and Naive Nicole, some of the conversations they have and how gullible they are, is just mind blowing and they say they’re super fans. I cannot for the life of me understand why they believe what these two J/H are saying. Your playing for a half million dollars. (( shaking my head ))

    • NKogNeeTow

      Lamby, I’m really hoping they aren’t falling for it but sometimes it’s hard to tell. One minute they sound like they’re not, the next they are talking about feeling sorry for them and sounding like they believe them. I’m just not sure what to think about those 2 anymore and they’re making me tired. As much as I dislike FAH and JJ, at least they aren’t wishy-washy. They’ve vowed to destroy Cliff and Nicole and are sticking to it. No backtracking.

      • Mary

        Oh Mercy!! ……….goodness gracious, and Cliff believes JJ, that is what doesn’t make sense. Cliff lying to Nicole is very disturbing to me, especially since she pulled him off the block, and didn’t put him up today. Yet he doesn’t care one bit he is throwing her under the bus.

  32. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Bathroom:

    JJ still blowing smoke up Cliff’s posterior. FAH still co-signing with “yeah”. She says she doesn’t show emotion or crack. She says she had a boss call her into the office and tell her she doesn’t crack. She said she knows. He said to a fault. *How many days till the next eviction?* JJ starts talking about how FAH gets just before or around the time of her period. Then JJ says he will be right back. Cliff waste no time changing the story back to his telling her that he was once laid off of a job and the boss said he handled it very well. He gets called to the DR. FAH removes her lipstick to brush her teeth.

    HOH:

    Nicole is sleeping while JJ is using the sink.

    Bathroom:

    FAH tells Cliff to have fun as he leaves for the DR, then she brushes her teeth.

    HOH:

    JJ uses mouthwash, blows his knows then starts gargling. No doubt trying to wake Nicole up so he can talk “at” her. He then runs the water and starts singing. He walks from the bathroom and starts rattling papers until she wakes up. He offers to turn off the light for her and ask if she’s tired. She says yes, he turns off the light then leaves. He goes to the kitchen where FAH is standing at the sink.

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    I appreciate your commentary & given much thought to why Jackson’s lie bothered me so much more than others. For one, watch his original pre game interview, “my word is my bond”, he’s continued to “protect” his already tarnished image, Evil Duck made his gameplay clear as evil Dick, even Brett everyone knew his shady intentions. This was to literally to Rudi Tommy! He sold it, they bought it.

  34. davidsgirl

    Hey guys, I know the veto is tomorrow and I can’t wait to see who wins. I treated my husband to some MLB tickets and the game is tomorrow. So I won’t be able to check and see who won until tomorrow late night. I’ll come by Sunday to check in on all your comments and great live feed updates. I always have fun with ya’ll Ha! Good Night.

  35. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Outside Bedroom:

    FAH tells JJ she just put Chap Stick in her nose. He tells her to use Neosporin. She tells him to get his ass in bed. She gets in bed and makes herself comfy in the corner while he leaves the room. She flings those cheap extentions around a bit and he comes back and she tells him to get in bed. He does and they commence whispering again. I have the sound turned all the way up and can barely hear him.

    He tells her about his convo with Cliff. He says he sold it. He tells her Cliff told him that he’s sketched and it didn’t feel right that she threw the comp for Nicole. JJ is complaining about Cliff’s new deals and starts in again about how they cornered them(J/H) and made them make a new deal. JJ says he feels like there is no way they are saying things that they own. JJ is going on again about how Cliff wants to take Nicole to F2 but won’t take him but wants him to take Cliff to F2.

    The parrot keeps saying “I know”, then she says it’s obsurd. He says he’s trying to make Cliff feel comfortable so he can beat him tomorrow. She tells him that when she was upstairs Nicole she told her that she didn’t know if Tommy would drop. She says Nicole told her that she didn’t think FAH was going to drop either. She says Nicole thanked her and in the real world people don’t do things like that for her. FAH says she couldn’t believe that Nicole was really saying something like that to her. She is really annoyed by it. *So let me get this straight. You’re pissed because someone thanked you? Mind boggling.*

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    • JennX

      She’s mad because she was stupid enough to throw it. These turd burglars are all high and mighty about honoring deal and shaking hands and are totally pissed that N/C were even weighing the options. Did they forget that not too long ago they were waivering on whether to honor the F4 with them or with CC/TT? Not to mention they are lying their asses off and blowing huge plumes of smoke (so much smoke that poor Beth cannot even breathe!)
      The hypocrisy is “literally absurd”

    • danmtruth

      H&J act like they are in a contest to see who can come up with more ways to insult N&C Just working on that image

  36. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Outer Bedroom:

    FAH is still talking about the HOH comp. She says she knows she could have won and she wants a re-do. She is pissed at Nicole. She says she was so stupid (to throw the comp). He tells her she can’t beat herself up for it and what’s done is done. He says they just have to win tomorrow. She says while she was up there she kept thinking it just didn’t feel right and they were only up there a short amount of time. *Bitch, you had 5 weeks up there.* He tells her to stop beating a dead horse. He says just get it done tomorrow.

    They start going over faces. *Just for spite, I hope it’s anything but Faces tomorrow.* She asks him about everyone individually and he gives he a description for each. She asks about where Nicole is. He tells her she’s sleeping. They get up and go to the Memory Wall to sturdy the faces.

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  37. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Kitchen:

    JJ is hugging The Trampoline while they study the wall. They get a warning about obstructing their mics. He says sorry and they go back to the bedroom and get back into bed. They discuss which blankets they use. She asks him however does he deal with her. She throws him her sweatshirt and he remarks about how much makeup is on it. *LOL* She tells him to throw it in the corner. They get a warning to put on their mics. He gets into bed and they kiss then start whispering.

    They get comfy while it looks like he’s taking off his pants under the covers. He starts begging BB to please let them win the Veto. They lay there in silence for a moment as the camera zooms in on his face and eye. He tells her he thinks they should not speak much tomorrow because if they seem to light hearted they won’t buy it. She says before she was even OTB she was hoping the HOH would be the hanging because she knew she would win and can’t believe she threw it. He tells her she’s going to drive herself insane. *Us too, with the same damn conversation over and over.*

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    • Avatar

      So Donkey faced (a nickname someone in my dorm came up with for Jackson) is already pleading to mommy to force production to rig the veto

    • danmtruth

      Dont you feel that the comp might be some kind of timed comp to make it a bit harder to throw ? It also allows production to hold that clock
      Can Holly just STOP with the she could have been up their all night You didnt It was your choice to fall live with it beside go back to when yoj were pleading to stay just for one week Jyst to get to F4 your their so bow out I knew you never were As you should try hard But last week it was how happy you would be just to go out after making it to F4

  38. NKogNeeTow

    BACK

    Outer Bedroom:

    The Bedbugs have rolled over and it looks like they are going to sleep. BB turns off the light and he thanks them.

    HOH:

    Nicole asleep.

    Outer Bedroom:

    Bedbugs asleep

    Cam keeps switching back and forth from outer bedroom to HOH on all sleeping. Cliff is the only one missing. I think he’s still in the DR hopefully getting either grilled or schooled.

    Six more minutes left to watch people sleep. Guess there won’t be any feeds for me tonight. GOOD! They’ve made me tired and I’m ready to go to sleep myself.

    HOH:

    Nicole wakes up in the dark, takes off her headphones, gets up, turns on the light and goes to the bathroom. She takes some clothes and goes into the shower to change (into her pajamas?).

    And with that, BBAD IS OVAH! And not a minute too soon. Don’t feel like watching a sleep study tonight. Hope everyone is resting comfortably and have a GREAT day tomorrow!

  39. NKogNeeTow

    Nite Tonto, Lamby, Colby, Jenn, Kari, and whoever is still awake out there. 🙂

  40. Mary

    Good night everyone.

  41. Mary

    Good night Colby, pleasant dreams.

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    I’m alright thinking about something to replace the Unbelievable BS Alarm for next season. I hire a bunch a Pikachus from Toon Town ( I assume that Anime characters would also live in the Toon Town from Who Framed Roger Rabbit) and each of us have a button. Each time one of the HGS say BS, we press a button and a Pikachu comes into the BB House, zaps the HG saying the BS with thunderbolt, and walks back out

  43. Mary

    Clueless Cliff is at it again. I want to go to the finale just to smack him upside his head. I hope Sharon after she gives him a hug does it for me.

  44. TeeJ

    I apologize. I am not sure what happened. When I started typing I was just going to offer a bit of defense for Cliff. If I talked this much I would call it word vomit. Feel free to skip over.

    Just out of high school, many many years ago, I tried to understand why women liked men who treated them bad. I started asking questions and got all kinds of answers. The answers cleared up absolutely nothing so for one week, I tried to treat women poorly. Not mean or abusive, more dismissive. It worked. More women seemed interested in me. It was really interesting. To this day I still don’t understand, lol. When my week-long experiment ended I learned that, for me, being mean just was not who I am. Being mean took effort and I was exhausted.

    All the lies and deceptions take a toll. You get tired from thinking. Physically tired. Emotionally tired. People make mistakes when they are tired. They start with one or two small mistakes. Then they get more tired and make more mistakes. Bigger mistakes. The gravity of the mistakes grows every time someone is evicted. There are fewer distractions so the mistakes you make stand out and are more likely to be used against you. They hurt more.

    Cliff? Cliff is tired. He seriously looks more tired with each day. His mistakes are happening more frequently and are close to ending his game. I believe he would still take Nicole to F2. Though I think Cliff’s only chance to make F2 is if Nicole wins the POV and convinces him that since she won it, he has to evict Jackson.

    I believe Cliff has been trying to play an honest or at least a truthful game. He does have some mischievous to him as evidenced by the way he was poking at Holly regarding that hookup reality show. I would love to see more of that Cliff. But if started in with lies and deceit I think he would regret it – even if he won the 500k. Even more regret if the lies hurt Nicole. Don’t get me wrong. He would find a way to live through it but he would feel some regret every time he thinks of the game.

    Jackson? Holly? Zero remorse. Win or lose they have had justified their actions by blaming Cliff and Nicole. After the show they will say they feel bad about it and that the lies were game moves. They were good game moves. They really were deviously brilliant game moves. Game purist should see this as good game moves. People who only watch the TV shows will likely see this as good game moves.

    Not sure they were good life moves. This is a reality show in an ever growing social world. There could be some missed career or relationship opportunities but outside of Nick there might not be any long term damage to the players. I expect Holly end up buying an ocean front property from Mary in the great southern state of Wyoming (funny comment SoftKitty). Jackson will find a sales job with a company that appreciates his commitment to winning at all cost – until they let him go when he misses quota for a few months. Maybe he can take his crocodile tears to Hollywood. I can already see Tommy and Jackson in new Bud Light commercials. “I love you, man ❤!”

    I might be feeling a bit snarky. For now I will try and manifest the POV for Nicole and hope that the right amount of karma visits everyone there.

    • Mary

      If I could give you a couple extra thumbs up I would, and not because I would get a commission on the sale of the Wyoming property. I agree with your analysis about some women, never understood it, probably never will.

    • SoftKitty

      You’re right, Teej. J&H will have zero remorse for how they ‘played the game’, and their lives outside probably won’t be affected. But you’ve given me a new perspective on Cliff. He does look tired. Maybe that’s the reason he’s thrown Nicole under the bus to Jax. He’s simply exhausted and doesn’t have the strength to stand up to their level of deceipt. Maybe he can’t even see their lies anymore, and he doesn’t have his family support (physical presence) to help him fight. I don’t know what to think. I just have to have faith that Nicole can somehow stand strong if she has to do it alone in F3.

      • TeeJ

        I don’t think Cliff is aware how much risk he added to Nicole’s game. He has told Jackson that he would take Nicole to the F2 (which makes that F3 deal with Jackson useless). Cliff is running on fumes and has him searching for the path of least resistance.

        Nicole’s fortitude continues to impress me like crazy.

    • danmtruth

      Teej thank you for so much interesting things to think about
      One thing that i try but often fail to remember Is just how young and inexperienced many of these HG are That what surprised and disappointed me in Holly’s game play Her lack of understanding of how her action would be viewed On the flip side Cliff did use this to his advantage After surviving the early age bias against him He drfted along Made smart game moves Again not that hard given how poor the majority of the house played Where Cliff begins to loos it is when he worries more about keeping his image Honest to a fault I look you in the eye and my word is my bond Thats fine if your deeling with an experienced adult Here he is dealing with a young person with a win at all cost mentality because in there narrow life experiences that us success and winning justify everything

      • TeeJ

        I worry about Holly being so concerned about her image outside the house. Even if she is lying about actually caring. I think she will be genuinely concerned the moment she turns her phone on. At least for a little while.

    • JennX

      If wonky read the first little bit so far and I can offer my own personal insight on how women end up in and stay in abusive relationSHITS. First girls are taught from an early age that if a boy picks on you, teases you, hits you it’s because he likes you. Now it’s one thing when you’re 5 or 9 years old and the girls are the same size as the boys. But once puberty hits…vast differences!

      Fast forward to when I was in my early 30’s (I’m 42 now, FYI). I met a guy who was charming, funny, treated me like a princess, etc, etc. he really sold himself to be everything I’d ever wanted in a guy. Slowly and subtly it turned into suggesting what to wear when going out, convincing me to get a joint cell phone plan, convincing me how much it helped him for me to have coffee ready when he woke up at 4 am for work and had dinner ready at 6 when he got home (I was finishing up my college degree). Eventually it turned into forbidding me to wear certain clothes, having restricted phone & internet time, having him control the money and who I could and couldn’t be friends with.

      By the time it got to the first beat down (broken wrist, black eye) a few years later, I was so psychologically manipulated into thinking that I caused the fight and had to make it up to him. Within a year and a half of that he began drugging my food to control me, cut me off from any family and friends, started selling me on craigslist for drugs, restricting all access to money, my car (which was now his) and phones. I was chained up with the option of being able to reach either the bed, the kitchen or the bathroom (only one was allowed). During my first attempt to really run, he chased me down and I was shot point blank in the spine with a BB gun (where I’d previously had back surgery).

      I had several broken bones, 14 concussions, and almost all of my teeth knocked out. I had been stripped of my own agency, lost all sense of self and just existed in survival mode for over a year.

      I ended up escaping while he was on a drug binge was able to get to a neighbor and call my parents (4 states away) and get help. I was with him for 5 1/2 years. Have severe PTSD, anxiety, agoraphobia, chronic severe pain and probably a shitload of other medical crap).

      If you’re interested, google “domestic abuse why didn’t you just leave”. Because it’s super complicated.

      I am safe now, thank god. But the scars, physical and emotion, run very deep. I don’t think I will ever trust another human being – aside from Dad, Mom & Brother – again. Definitely gonna be single til I die. And for the record I was able to file charges and he was convicted on 22 counts of domestic abuse, human trafficking, and selling drugs. He was fined $850 and released after 6 hours in lock up.

      • JennX

        Grrr… auto correct! That should have started out saying I’ve only read the first part! Lol

      • SoftKitty

        Omg, Jenn! You’re story is absolutely horrendous! I was also in an abusive (mentally & physically) relationSHIT, but not near as severe (I was not chained and fortunately able to get away after only 2 years). My heart breaks for you and I’m praying (praying!) that some day you will find peace and love and trust again!

      • TeeJ

        I have also just read the first part. My heart hurt. I am a fan of yours. I hate guys that give men a bad name.

      • amareels

        Wow Jenn! You’re not alone. I am so happy that you got out alive and called your Mom and Dad. I didn’t get it as nearly bad as you, but I know ever bit of how you are feeling. You keep working on you and you’ll get there, promise.

      • Mary

        So glad Jen that you were able to get away (escape) from that, I can’t imagine. Pray that everyday gets a little bit better for you.

      • Nancy

        I’m so sorry jen..I was in a physical/mental relationship 20yrs.. nothing as severe as you had it..and its not so simple as just walking away..I pray you find peace and happiness ..my abuser got 25 yrs, but it was for a drug charge..that was my out. God bless you my ga friend. ♡♡

      • Robin

        Jenn, just shocking that our criminal justice system often gives a wrap on the knuckles for domestic abusers! I watched my oldest sister go through years of physical abuse, her children crawling out of windows in fear of their father. The psychological changes are why people don’t understand how this happens. Over time, I watched my talented smart and beautiful sister diminish until he had complete control over her.

        Thank god she survived and I’m so grateful that you came out on the other side of this. Much love to you.

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        JennX

        It takes a lot of courage to share your story with others. What I see from you is a very brave, strong, courageous woman who became her own hero and took her life back. When you are able, don’t let him take one more minute of your life by crippling your relationships with others. You deserve to be happy. You are a warrior.

      • mm22

        Jenn you are so strong-I’m glad you joined bbj

    • Alda

      I think Nicole is pumped up to win this POV.But,so are Jackson and Holly.If it’s physical,Cliff is going to jury.

  45. MamaBear

    Doing some serious manifestations for Nicole to win POV today! Why? Cliff has royally pissed me off and he used to be one of my favorites. But all the sucking up to Jackson is literally making me sick to my stomach! Those paying close attention to Cliff’s body language know he knows he’s screwed! How anyone could appreciate anything about Jackson is beyond me. I loathe him! Almost as much as I loathe Holly! He personifies a textbook pompous, entitled, know it all Mama’s Boy! And Holly, she thinks she’s a role model for girls? Seriously? She’s a needy, clingy, no self esteem, leech! Not to mention a hypochondriac! She’s about as entertaining as rock! If you took the words “Yeah, I know, same, shower and my body’s shutting diwn” out of her vocabulary, she’d be nothing more than a rock with hair extensions, clown makeup and up up your crack leggings! WHEW! That feels better. So, that leaves Nicole. I freakin love that girl! Now she’s a role model for girls in my book. I’m prashe wins it all! This season has actually been somewhat painful to watch. I miss the old BB days where the Evil Dicks acted like Evil Dicks to your face! The Dr. Will’s and Mike Boogies plotting and scheming and laughing their asses off along the way! This cast is just too “transparent” for my taste. Oh well. Enough ranting and rambling! We’re down to the final 4. Integrity and character versus the bully and his beauty queen! God help us all!!

    • TeeJ

      I hear you MamaBear. I have cheered for Nicole ever since she identified the H8ful alliance and she still tried to help Bella and Nick. They crapped on her but still felt it was the right thing to do.

      I will continue to manifest the POV to Nicole for several reasons. It looks good on her game resume. It gives Cliff a way out of that SUPREMELY bad deal with Jackson. Which means she is competing against Holly and Cliff which increases her chances for winning the final HOH. It would make for an impressive run to the finals. She may just need that finish to overcome any jury bias for Holly or empathy for Cliff.

  46. Mary

    If I heard correctly when Jackson and Holly were laying in bed last night, if Holly wins veto she is taking Jackson off and he will vote out Cliff no questions asked. That is why Holly went up to the HOH room while Jackson was in the DR and spoke to Nicole and Cliff, to sell it, that she is her own person, and won’t win against Jackson so she would have no problem voting him out, blah, blah, blah. Then later Jackson spoke to Cliff in the bathroom to sell the same story, only about cutting Holly loose. Can’t say it isn’t great game play, it is. They have Cliff right where they want him, packing to go to they jury house if either win the veto today.

    • SoftKitty

      Yeah, they’re trying to make Cliff feel comfortable so he won’t gun for the veto. I also read on another site that Cliff said he was going to throw the comp because he trusts that Jax will evict HB and take him (C) to F3. Don’t know where, when or who he said it to… But if true, he deserves to lose. Only thing that bothers me is if that happens, Nicole will be all alone and will probably lose her shot at F2!

      • Nancy

        Are you serious!!?? I thought cliff had enough life experience to see BULLSHIT..if he throws it, then he deserves to go home…nicole has to stop listening to him..omg..cliff has lost his mind

    • TeeJ

      Wow. Just wow. I am not surprised that Holly is a conspiring bitch. Holly wins the veto AND uses it on Jackson so that HE can vote Cliff out?!?! I guess she avoids getting blood on her hands. Maybe that will help her image outside the house.

      It would be hilarious if she ended up in the F2 with Nicole and the jury voted against her redefining the definition of WTF. Wow.

    • Mary

      If Nicole does happen to win the veto today, I hope she grows a pair and tells Cliff straight up, if you plan on keeping Jackson anyway, I’ll just use the veto on him and we will see who he votes out. Maybe that would make him think twice about keeping Jackson, the strongest player left in the game.

  47. Mary

    I love you Thumby !! ROFLMAO

  48. TeeJ

    Jackson & Nicole talking.

    Jackson: I swear.
    Nicole: Do you swear on Christie’s sister’s life?

  49. Helen

    Hope it’s the same final veto comp as last year….

  50. Mary

    New thread……………….

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    Tommy was the 7th juror not 6th and Jackson said many times he would come back and play Big Brother again if they asked him!

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