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Big Brother 15 – Saturday Updates

bb15-helen-hairSo I’m going to try something new going forward, or at least experiment with it.  I have been updating my twitter a lot, but I think every day I’m going to keep a thread like this going where I just give you updates with time-stamps.  I know a lot of people come looking here for regular updates, but didn’t know how to handle it without transcribing every conversation in the house.  If nothing is interesting, I’ll throw up update in every 10-15 minutes or so (as long as I’m home), but if something gets exciting I’ll obviously update more.

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Note, this will be in addition to my typical morning recaps/observations/opinions.

Flashback to any time using the live feed flashback feature.

(all times are pst/bbt)

2:40pm – Nothing going on in the house.  Helen messing with her hair while others relaxing.  Still waiting for the veto competition to begin.

2:55pm – Elissa doing stretching/reading, others napping.

3:05pm – Helen and Elissa in the cockpit chatting, Aaryn running a bath in the HoH room.  Helen is strategizing about possibly making another deal with Aaryn if she uses the veto (if she wins).  She’ll also offer the deal to Spencer.  They’re going to wait until after veto to see who wins though.  Helen is feeling pretty confident about the votes either way, and even tried to compare notes with Elissa.  Both were told Elissa is the target (she’s not)

3:10pm – Elissa thinks it’s going to be an athletic competition today.  Both are pretty antsy about getting it started, but Elissa decides to take a nap.

4:25pm – Took a break for dinner (found a great local sub shop!).  McCrae, Helen and Spencer are in the cockpit chatting about the potential competitions tonight.  Everyone else still sleeping.

4:45pm – Spencer and McCrae in the cockpit, Helen and Andy in the kitchen.  No veto yet, it may not happen for another hour+

4:52pm – Big Brother comes over the speaker – “Houseguests: Remember to enjoy yourselves today. These are the good ole days”. Spencer and Andy joke about how GinaMarie is going to panic over that wondering what it means.

4:57pm – McCrae misses the song that is played over the fish during the live feeds.  He is crazy, the song drives me nuts!!

5:20pm – Helen joins Andy, McCrae and Spencer in the cockpit to speculate on the announcement by Big Brother.  She thinks former houseguests will come back for the veto competition.

5:50pm – Amanda is awake, but nothing new. Still just a bunch of general chatter.

6:05pm – Amanda called to DR, veto competition possibly soon

6:12pm – Feeds down for trivia, veto competition finally! 

7:00pm – Still undergoing veto competition

7:30pm – Feeds still on trivia

8:00pm – Feeds still on trivia, veto competition still underway

8:30pm – Feeds still down

8:45pm – The feed music is starting to drive me nuts.  Still doing PoV

8:48pm – Feeds back… Elissa won PoV!

8:52pm – Spencer confirms it was the OTEV competition

9:00pm – Houseguests cleaning up after the competition, but Amanda is confirming she is pushing for Helen to go home this week.  She is going to blindside Helen, but Andy doesn’t seem very comfortable with this.   He is very sad, and possibly the person who is most likely to flip this week in Helen’s favor.


9:05pm – Spencer and McCrae are in the storage room talking about the situation.  He is accepting he’ll be going up as the replacement but feels safe so far.  Apparently this will be the record for amount of times someone was on the block in a season (according to Spencer – didn’t verify).

9:25pm – GinaMarie and Helen are chatting in the cockpit.  Helen is going to resort to the ‘guys alliance’ thing where the longer Spencer remains in the house, the bigger the chance the guys will come together.  Who knows, with this cast it could work, but doubtful

9:40pm – Spencer tells the HoH room that Elissa told him she had conversations with God, and was told that Nick is Dan’s cousin.

9:50pm – Helen and Elissa are talking in the kitchen.  Helen trusts McCrae and Andy (because of their ‘secret alliance’), so it’s going to be quite the surprise when she finds out.  The big question is whether or not she’ll find out before Thursday.

With that, I am off to bed.  I will recap in the morning.  Hopefully you enjoyed my trial run at random updates throughout the day.

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  1. Comments (6)

    Every time I come to the page that Facebook thing pops up.

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    Our only hope this week is that someone non 3AM gets the POV and backdoor Amanda.

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      Team 3AM BABY!!!!

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      I’ve lost all hope for this season so I’m rooting for Candice to come back as HoH as a special present for GM’s birthday. GM and Aaryn are still talking BS about her so it’s what they deserve.

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        Just because Aaron, GM, Amanda etc. are racist, it doesn’t mean that Candice wasn’t an annoying obnoxious person herself (using nicer words out of respect, otherwise.. she was a female dog). If anyone deserved to go back it would be Jessie for her attempting to shakeup the house. I agree with you in that I’m also losing all hope for this season… snoozefest so far.

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        Other night the HGs were bandying about what they said was a Ricky Gervais quote “just because you are offended doesn’t mean you are right”.

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        Yes, because having Candice back would make it soooo exciting… What did she do or try to do the entire time she was there the first time???? That’s right,, absolutely nothing. Candice coming back would be a mistake.

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        I hope Helen comes back after she gets voted out and then will know she being played, and either her or Melissa win hoh and split macranda up, that would shake house up.

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        If Candice comes back she will put GM and Aaryn up. Aaryn will stay and win HOH the following week put Candice back up and send her to jury again. Amanda will still run the house. I hope who ever comes back in will put Amanda and mccrae up.

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        You mea

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        You mean “if” Candice comes back and actually won something. She had several shots and failed every time. It’s Ok to like someone, just not ok to believe that she would be or do anything different. Besides, she slept most of the time anyway.

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      Why dream for the impossible? There is absolutely 0 chance of Aaryan backdooring Amanda. The members of 3AM seem to be sharing all of their side deals. None will be surprised to hear another has mentioned their name, they already know and approve.

      They are cooking the game to their best advantage. 3AM knows Amanda is grooming Eloser in case she wins HoH next week. Aaryan is likewise grooming GM. McCrae and Andy have Spencer & Helen under their spell. That group has some seriously insidious strategy.

      You may hate her but Helen is the only with a chance of screwing up their plans. Win the veto and ride thru the shock of Judd [hopefully] coming back in and she might get her game rescued.

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      Oh yes, please!

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        Amanda needs to go, then Aaron. They are a disgrace to all that is sacred…. like people in general. It’s sad to hear their disgusting comments both about their own personal lives and the words they use (gross slang) on others in public and in the House. I’m so not watching it anymore!

  3. Comments (41)

    Love the updates with time stamps! Also enjoy the lengthy observations Stevebeans you do a great job!
    I really do like the little time stamp updates even if there’s nothing exciting to say lets me know I don’t need to go and flashback looking to see if I missed anything while away from the feeds.

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      Thanks, and thanks for the feedback 🙂 This is only my 3rd season, so still finding my groove

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        Me too Steve, I’m so glad that I found your website. I thoroughly enjoy reading your updates, & comments left by fellow bloggers. Thank you!

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        “…still trying to find my groove”……*chuckle* love the verbiage, it’s cute. Not I’m not flirting, I still use the words ‘I dig that’. Thank you for the excellent site and updates. I loaded 3 others on the desktop of my phone, yet this is the only one I’ve been reading and responding to. I don’t have the live feeds, but I don’t feel like I’ve been missing anything and have always felt informed and in the loop. Again, thank you much, keep up the good work dude and “I totally DIG how you handle yo’ bidness”. Lol 😀

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    Absolutely love your updates! Keep up the great work!

  5. Comments (118)

    @stevebeans: Ty for all the hard work you do, gr8 site and kudos commenters also

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    Thank you for the compliments, guys

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    But we all know that Arryn doesn’t have the guts to against “The House” aka Amanda since she is the smart one as she called her. So it’s bye bye Helen or Elissa depending on who wins the POV! So ho hum… Predictable & boring…Well, we tried to warn them!

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      I think it is a combination lack of guts and gameplay. The most strategic statement everyone is saying is that : “that’s what the house wanted”. It is an easy thing to say to lwave as little “blood” on their hands as possoble

      Perhaps predictable and boring, but they want to win some big money.

      At this point, even though I am not a fan, I am starting to think that Andy is becoming the best player. He has himself in a solid alliance, and has had Helen’s ear the whole season. Andy and Aaryn are deserving a final two.

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        Keep your friends close but your enemies closer. Hopefully when Helen feels Andy’s knife slide in she’ll say “et tu Andy?”.

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        Good one. It will be a priceless moment.

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    This is by far THE BEST website for BB insider info. Thanks Steve for working so hard and making this otherwise boring cast of characters a little more interesting.

    I would like to request a poll – sort of out of interest. Because there has been so much evil this season/summer, which houseguest would you consider the most evil all things considered. Would be interesting to see if others feel the same way I do about that one.

    Thanks again and in advance!

    • just another fan
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      Along the lines of requesting polls, I really like the idea (I think it was Rob’s?) of polling your readers as to their age with different brackets.

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    Aaryns transformation is notable but not admirable in the end, you can’t forgive her bad behavior ever. She will make her mark in BB history love her or hate her and will probably be in the final 3. If Helen doesn’t win POV she’s done and its her own fault but she may make it back in, shame on her otherwise. I’ve watched since S1 and this has got to be the most hated cast, am I wrong?

    • just another fan
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      I know they have doe an all star season on Big Brother, but if they were to do kind of like a Survivor ‘heroes and villains’ season, it would be interesting to see people like Aaryn, Evil Dick (who I always hated), and a number of others against some of the games most loved people.

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      While she has modified her behavior it has not stopped – that ugly racist streak runs deep. The privacy of the HoH has given her and GM some alone time and they spend most their time trashing Candice and saying their is no way America would call them racist. Seriously, they believe that. That disconnect just stuns me and is setting them up for the BIGGEST surprise of the season. We all have that to look forward to.

      Aaryan has even gotten a clue but probably won’t connect the dots. She is wondering why they didn’t give her any pics of her dad with her HoH stuff. She says she gave them like 5 and he had signed all the releases. In fact one pic they gave her originally had him in it but he had been cropped out of it. Clearly given the controversy he has rescinded his release and CBS is cooperating in case something happens to him.

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        I am wondering if they will find out their fate during the live final. That would be huge dra.a, but will cbs have the balls to do it on live tv ?

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        Cbs needs to have Donald trump tell them there fired!!!

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        Early on I considered starting an internet group funded effort to get a banner plane to fly over some afternoon towing the sign: “AARYAN, B PETITE SEZ U R FIRED LOL”. Alas, the planes been done before and BB is on the lookout for that.

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        How cud they stop the HG’s from talking about seeing the banner?

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        Where fired?

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    Spencer gets my vote for most evil. Some of the things that come out of his mouth are disgusting.

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      Joban, I agree with you that Spencer has definitely said a lot of stupid things, but I think Amanda is the most evil. She has wished bodily harm, rape and even death on the other houseguests. Spencer’s remarks have just shown what an ignorant person he is, but I don’t remember him wishing harm to anyone. I may be wrong and I’m sure I will be corrected if I am, but I really consider Amanda to be the most evil person I have ever seen.

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        Maybe this link will help clarify who is the most evil in BB15. Who could make up this stuff?

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        Sherry, I have watched this before and while I do agree with part of it, I do not agree with all of it. The comments at the bottom are right about the information about Amanda being wrong. Her Middle name is Joy not Jane and she is 28 not 38. I did a little research myself, so I do believe they are wrong. If you google Amanda Zuckerman 2008, you will find videos of her and her association with CBS at that time. You will also see her name is listed as Amanda Joy Zuckerman.

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    Helen is an idiot if she doesn’t think she is a target. Either Helen or Elissa gets voted out and I am happy!

    I want to see Judd come back, it would be best for our entertainment.

    Stevebeans you do a great job, keep up the good work

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      Since Aaryn and GM are still obsessed with trash talking Candice wouldn’t having her come back as HoH be even more entertaining?

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        You’re right Jackie, they still make fun of Candice and trash talk her. The funny thing is, GM says AX instead of ask all the time now. What’s with that?? She said it 4 times in about 2 minutes while they were getting ready for the “wedding” the other night.

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        I think GM already said “ax.” She wouldn’t have just picked it up from Candice saying it a few times. GM is just ignorant and disgusting and finds the pettiest things to be hateful about!

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        That’s how they act in Jersey.

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        And have a double eviction.

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    Helen became a passing footnote as a player when she ignored all the chances to evict Amanda saying it was not the right time. When is it the right time? When you’re walking out the door? Or sitting in the jury house?
    When in BB have you seen anyone else give a pass to a major opponent being evicted for later? Amanda wa so shook up on her first MVP selection, that she would have been easier to evict. By then she should have been able to evaluate the strong players as they killed off Jeromy and Nick.
    People tried to point out these free chances to evict Amanda but she was to smart or blind to others opinions, which might make her political consulting clients think twice about her ability to work with her.

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      Even if they weren’t thinking Amanda was a threat to have a couple together is a threat alone. That right there is why they should of booted her out the first time America voted her MVP.

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      You’re right, Larry. Yet, Helen is quick to point out that Candice & Jessie don’t know how to play the game. Candice didn’t have the best gameplay but Jessie tried numerous times to “play” & Helen wouldn’t listen to her. According to Helen, “it’s too early.” That it’s too early certainly isn’t good gameplay!

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      In her defense Helen has no way of knowing that America put Amanda up, as far as she knows it was the work of the other side targeting her alliance. Her main mistake was her read on Andy. She thought he was giving her the whole story on McCranda and he had her on the mushroom diet – in the dark and feeding her a steady stream of bullshiat.

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    I think it would be awesome if Spencer won pov and took Elissa/Helen off. Forcing Aaryn to put Andy or GM up. Even better MC/Amanda.

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      Hmm I like where you’re going with this. I would like for him to take Elissa off (mainly because I’d like to see Helen evicted).

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        No no no. I want Helen there. She won’t win this. I would actually like to see Andy go. See what Mc/Amanda do then. Then Judd comes back and see what they do from there. That right there would be entertainment.

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      Spencer can’t see past the a$$e$ lined up in his face to even think to make that decision.

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      3AM has covered that contingency. Both GM and Spencer have been prepped that they are the pawns if necessary but there will be the votes to send Helen or Eloser home. GM and Spencer believe this because their fake alliance members from 3AM have convinced them of it.

      It would take a cataclysmic event to change this. Something on the plane of GM losing it and actually chest bumping or hitting someone in anger and then being banished. That could reset the week with noms blanked and HoH up for grabs again. Not unprecedented, but not much to count on.

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        You forget one thing. Production. Just wait and see what happens.

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        Oh Yes..’production’…they force their influence in the DR on each and every houseguests. I think this is why Amanda and Elissa are still there. Elissa doesn’t talk about her private life, such as family or anything. She is not a social player, why is she there. Plus she never was sequestered prior to entering the house like the other houseguest were. She did imply that she negotiated her own salary to appear on BB 15. I don’t get what it is about her other than Rachels shadow that makes her so important.

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        If she was nominated I could see it happening. Things are not always what we think they are going to be. BB has to salvage this game in some way. People are pissed about this season.

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        Finding out that productions leans on houseguests in the DR to make decisions the way they want kinda takes the excitement out for me.

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      If spencer would take one of them off, he would go up, I don’t think he is that stupid, he will probaly go up anyway if they win and take there self of, unless Aaryn can be convinced otherwise, but I doubt that, if Aaryn was smart, (not) she would put up McCrae, with him gone Amanda would be worthless.

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    Has the pov been won yet?

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    I know BB has been boring, upsetting and downright sickening to this point, but I hope we see some changes coming up in the near future. If Helen does get evicted this week, I hope she does not come back into the house. I would rather see one of the former players that got evicted with a unanimous vote come back in and face the other players that evicted them. Wonder what excuses they will give for voting them out. OH, how could I forget? They’re going to say “It’s what the house wanted.” I don’t think that excuse will fly and we may get to see some real game play for a change. And, hopefully, we’ll see some really good game play when they are competing to get back in…they know this is probably they’re only chance. I’m sure Jessie and Judd will play hard to come back, and hopefully, Candice will also.

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      I would like to see all three, Judd, Candice and Jessie come back, one each week for the next three weeks as HOH and get out Amaneda, Andy and Aaryn, then work on GM and McCrae and the three of them battle it out for the 500K. They were all done dirty and deserve to get a chance. This would be the best expect the unexpected a house guest could “expect”.

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      oops…their not they’re

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    “Houseguests: Remember to enjoy yourselves today. These are the good ole days”.

    I wonder if the POV could be something from like the 1st season that hasn’t been redone since then. Though the idea of some of the people taking chum baths has me really rooting for the reward/punishment comp.

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    Stevebeans, I’m so glad you are doing the updates like you are. I have found it pretty hard to follow the show as close as I usually do. Watching the Amanda show is getting really old, really fast.
    Plus, if GM goes on another rant talking over anyone who’s trying to speak, I might actually have to find a magic portal to get into that house and gag her.
    Fortunately we have you doing these updates, so we can keep up without being bored out of our minds. Thanks Stevebeans 🙂

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    It would take some major hard core balls to the wall for them to clean up this mess & get Meanmanda/McGross, Aaryn & GM out!! Unless Helen or Elissa win veto & take themselves off & Aaryn puts up one of them(& let’s face it we ALL know thats not going to happen) she will put up Spencer in their place..So either Spencer/Helen or Elissa is out..which still leaves ALL of them in the house.

    Really CBS/BB the only reason you are trying a first time twist like this is bcuz of all the backlash from the viewers & fans of this show this season..the only problem is you waited soo long to figure out what to do, at this point whoever comes back in the house Thursday won’t really have enough time to do anything, bcuz I don’t see them getting broke up this late in the game!!

    I hope I’m wrong but I don’t see how this late to get all 4 of them out!!!!

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    I’m still trying to figure out who my favorite player is!!! I can’t stand some of the people and I don’t like how some are using others just because and we all know the two wont take anyone else to the end!! I hope Elissa win pov

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    Well Helen, Amanda does not think it is to early to evict your dumb ass,Helen derserves to go for being that stupid, I can’t stand Amanda, but when everyone is to stupid to see what.a threat she is , then she deserves to win. I just hope one of the jury ppl can come back in and turn the house upside down

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    When does the rest of the “feed”for what is going on appear on here? Nothing has been added for over and hour since it was posted that it was time for POV event

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    What time zone are the updates in? Just wondering what 7pm means to me 🙂

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    Stevebeans… Why doesn’t McCrea have a bio

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      I got a late start and the season began before I could finish the bios. There are like 5 without any. I should get on them, but with the season half over I may leave it the way it is. Not sure yet

  24. Comments (651)

    Steve the medication Clownie OD on was Lysine. Any info on what that is for? One site said it’s for herpes. Another said it was a performance enhancer. Any ideas?

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    Aaryn’s eyebrows have made most all of the blogs with non-stop jokes.

    Today, someone blogged that he/she think one of Helen’s kids sneaks
    into the BBH at night and pencils in Aaeyn’s “mad” eyebrows. lol

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    Helen told Elissa that when BB15 is over, she plans on going over to
    Andy’s house and watching everything on video with him.

    LOL – I don’t think so Helen.

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    Looks like they are going to push the comp aftermath onto BBAD, sweet.

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    Yikes, this is taking forever maybe Amanda is really concentrating! Lol. The anticipation is driving me crazy, ha!

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    Lysine is an essential amino acid used to treat canker sores or cold sores. These are herpes viruses. I have used it for years in conjunction with yogurt it really works!

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    Always wondered why year after year Big Brother get girls with massive size silicone breast. Big tits/areola/nipples year after year……….

    • Comments (1162)

      It must be getting more difficult to find young women with
      natural beauty. If true, how very sad.

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      It seems like there is always a mix of attractive people which are probably good for ratings, and sp are the tits. Probably good for the sign ups for the live feeds.

      My question though, is why is there always a fay guy ? Why can’t they throw in some lesbians instead ?It is kind of discriminatory.

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    Has anyone else noticed that other then one early episode, there has not been any interviews with the families? I really want to see a what America thinks of them contest lol
    I think Helen is done for and deserves it. She had her chance but gave it away.
    Like her or hate her Amanda has Svengalied the other houseguests into doing her bidding. While personally I would not by upset if she suffered her own ideas at someones hands she has played a good game.
    The timestamps are amazing Steve and thanks for the excellent work!

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      Amanda has very low self-esteem and believes that the world evolves around her. She is used to money, so her winning may change some things in her life. But her self-esteem will remain the same. Once the thrill of having money begins to fade? Amanda is going to have a hard time dealing with the fact that she is hated by America!

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      Had to be fixed – like last time. She doesn’t win anything on her own. Will be interesting to see what the comp was. Pretty much tired of BB prod controlling the game and the boring cast. Probably won’t watch next season.

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    SO Spencer probably will be the rpl nom and HELEN will go…

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    What is OTEV competition?

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    From what I been reading, BB ‘s ratings are thru the roof, so I would not be surprised if BB is calling them racist big mouth ppl to the diary room and telling them to keep it up, your boosting our ratings, because Candice is gone and they still say racist stuff about her, and all the racist ppl are still there.

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    WAY TO GO ELISSA!!!!!!

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    What I want to know is why do they keep calling the house guest to the diary room, I saw where Amanda was called in the before veto comp, I never thought they did that on other seasons.

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      Was Amanda the host for this competition? If she was, that’s why. They always call the host in to get them situated so they can start the competition.

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    POV had to be Elissa

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    Yes, Helen’s time is up but that only means that unless Wissa has something in her skull other than filler, she will just delay her time in-house till the following Thursday. Now may be the time we really see if she has been dormant as a plan or a plant. If she is the older sister, why is she so subservient to Rachael? Not the usual family dynamics.
    Otherwise, Elissa should just use the POV on Helen then spend her time carefree and reading in the jury house if she does not bolt.. She has been the most docile of all houseguests. Has she never had any personal issues to force her to develop or grow up?

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      Larry, re: family dynamics – I am the oldest, but I have a high level of compassion and mercy so I don’t want to hurt anyone. My sister 3-years-younger, however, is one who can tell someone how the cow ate the cabbage and is very controlling.

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    Loved the new set up by the way, Stevebeans!!

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    Well at least Judd will have some competition for getting back in the house.

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    Love the time stamp updates!! I’ve been reading your blog since last season and love it!! Have it saved on my home screen and check it all the time. It’s nice to jump to your site and get updated rather than scroll through twitter. 🙂

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    Not sure if this has been posted already, but Spencer has not set the record (assuming he does go up), he has tied it. Janelle in BB6, Frank in BB14, and Danielle in BB14 have all been nominated 6 times as well. BUT, it does seem likely that Spencer will beat the record soon.

    Another record-tying performance…Aaryn with 4 HoH’s. BB5 Drew, BB7 Janelle, BB12 Hayden, BB13 Rachel, BB14 Ian, and now BB15 Aaryn have all won HoH 4 times. I can see her beating the record soon as well. It’s even possible that she ties (or potentially even breaks) the most HoH’s ever (6), a record currently shared by Janelle through 3 seasons and Rachel through 2 seasons.

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